81. In the fray, fist and fire
Posted on 3rd Jun 2011, 11:41 PM in 4. Bob-omb Battlefield

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Morgenstern 3rd Jun 2011, 11:41 PM edit delete
Morgenstern
So the comic's been going for a year, as of yesterday.

Hooray

Onecanofsprite 3rd Jun 2011, 11:46 PM edit delete reply
Onecanofsprite
Happy comiversary.
Lawelite 3rd Jun 2011, 11:47 PM edit delete reply
Lawelite
absolutely amazing, keep this style and keep it up, YOU ARE GREAT!!!
Hirock 3rd Jun 2011, 11:49 PM edit delete reply
Raven Man Looks a lot better now
Vaklu 3rd Jun 2011, 11:53 PM edit delete reply
well I've held off for now with picking a side on the Art rigamaroll but now I think now is a good time to put my two cents in. I like the original art the comic started with I think it has a very unique feel to it. But, I can say with certainty that i would not be dissatisfied if this was to be the art style for the comic from this point forward.
Linden 3rd Jun 2011, 11:57 PM edit delete reply
Linden
Congrats. Has it really been that long? Yikes.
MattWL 4th Jun 2011, 12:00 AM edit delete reply
I love ur old art, but this rocks too. Update more with this style and we will all be happy with it.
happy comiversary
Pirate 4th Jun 2011, 12:01 AM edit delete reply
Cool
Mr Pibbleton 4th Jun 2011, 12:02 AM edit delete reply
Mr Pibbleton
Congratulations on the one year anniversary.
Haya 4th Jun 2011, 12:04 AM edit delete reply
Haya
If the art was at this point from now on I would be extrememly happy with it. I cannot find anything lacking. I think the key was to reduce the detail to make the characters look right, I'm surprised no one noticed that that would be the case before.

On a side not, was Go's hair always that long?
Delta Pangaea 4th Jun 2011, 12:13 AM edit delete reply
Wait, so Go's new hat is a bandanna? When did that happen?
Morgenstern 4th Jun 2011, 12:18 AM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
@Haya: Maybe not THAT long, though it has been getting longer over time.

@Delta: Both hats were bandannas, I just kind of suck at making things look bandanna-y
Haya 4th Jun 2011, 12:30 AM edit delete reply
Haya
@Morgenstern Ahh, well that does make sense. I think it looks better longer.
Junior 4th Jun 2011, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
It's good. :)
Me 4th Jun 2011, 1:07 AM edit delete reply
Wait, did mccoy just stand their calmly throughout the whole battle? And is that Guy on top of that tower to the right, in the last frame. If so, why did he stay inside? Also, shouldn't Go's fire power have blown up the bob-omb. And since when has Palma had such strength and jumping ability?

Anyway, good comic. And judging that their powers and skills have all gotten so much better, will the enemies they face be stronger now as well.
Krimzon_Hammer 4th Jun 2011, 1:29 AM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer
Go seems like a good edition to the team and my complements to the artist.
Tutter 4th Jun 2011, 1:39 AM edit delete reply
Mouse picture goes here.

Anyways, I rarely get to be in the top twenty posts so bam. I'll post later to hate on the haters.
Guest 4th Jun 2011, 2:05 AM edit delete reply
I have to say that, after only a year, it saddens me that you have already decided to change your art. I introduced your comic to several of my friends when I first found your art, and it is sad to see them leave stubbornly after the few panels of changed art. I don't think I oppose the new art enough to leave the comic, but it is not what it once was. It is missing the true spirit of Mushroom Go that I had come to love.

So happy aniversary, I guess.
Guest 4th Jun 2011, 2:06 AM edit delete reply
Hey, didn't you say that you were going to draw today's comic?!?
Guest 4th Jun 2011, 2:09 AM edit delete reply
I agree with the guest above me. And I also think McCoy looks better too. But I honestly didn't think Palma was the physical type, or at least not enough to do the Hulk Punch she preforms in this panel.
Haya 4th Jun 2011, 2:11 AM edit delete reply
Haya
Palma broke some glass, that's hardly super strength.
Gupy 4th Jun 2011, 3:26 AM edit delete reply
So this is still ob huh? I'm glad i was right when I thought that his style would improve and get better reactions from the readers by working with you. Because i was right haha XD, Nothing Better than that XD
zackTHEwizerd 4th Jun 2011, 3:29 AM edit delete reply
congrats on the one year.

still like the art, its keeps getting better.
DancesWithChihuahuas 4th Jun 2011, 4:01 AM edit delete reply
I am enjoying this a lot more. I was a reader from the beginning but you were right; something about the art always seemed slightly off. Personally, I think it was the angles in which characters were depicted. This seems a lot more fluid and there are a lot more possibilities you can make with it.

That's not to say that you wouldn't be able to make such an adjustment in the future and the only way to do that is to take constructive criticism (which is something a LOT of web artists are incapable of doing, which is a shame) and work with it.

I absolutely love the comic. Keep it up; and if your art is ever up to your own standards, I would love to see it again!
DancesWithChihuahuas 4th Jun 2011, 4:14 AM edit delete reply
I will say not to let bullcrap things like bad webcomics wiki get to you. Internet schminternet, as an artist you have your shortcomings. Every artist on earth does.

The important thing is to KNOW those shortcomings and work to overcome them. THAT is what makes a truly great artist, not the way he draws or his shading or what ever.

The thick "sketchy" feel took some getting used to but it's easy to turn that into a signature art form once yours is more polished. Yes this style is more refined and therefore more quickly and easily accepted but your own has potential. Is it incredible? No, but no one's is. Look at Penny Arcade just a few years ago. Honestly, it was horrendous.

The important thing is to improve. If you choose not to though, many fans myself included will understand. In either case I'll be behind Mushroom Go every step of the way.
Spinnerlink 4th Jun 2011, 6:02 AM edit delete reply
Spinnerlink
Ok, the characters look good now, nothing needs to be tweaked in my opinion. Can you do a guest comic every now and then again morg?
Tetra 4th Jun 2011, 6:47 AM edit delete reply
Guy.

oh,and McCoy has his hand in his pants. ^_^
chuck 4th Jun 2011, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
gotta say i'm loving the stuff your doing with the comic, lets hope you have many more years to come
brawl 4th Jun 2011, 7:05 AM edit delete reply
brawl
I gotta say, things are looking good. I think we'll all miss the "sketchy" feel, but this new art style is pretty dang cool too.

Morgenstern, I'm gonna miss your art, but you can tell obfuscobble that he did awesomely.

(Oh, and don't worry, I knew it was a bandana before.)
NotJoe 4th Jun 2011, 7:11 AM edit delete reply
NotJoe
To all the people talking about Palna's strength:

Did you not read the Piranha Plant Lab arc?
"Bein' weak for a Pianta is like bein' slow fer a bullet.
The Good Wario 4th Jun 2011, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
so will morgestern keep this style or go back to the old?
Futurevgd 4th Jun 2011, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
i was hoping to see the old art...
also where is guy?
Starcat5 4th Jun 2011, 8:36 AM edit delete reply
Starcat5
Oh, I see where this is going. They set up a ring of fire to confuse the tank's thermal sensors while leaving the tank itself intact. One quick hi-jack later, and the Pink Side suddenly has a way of fighting back!

...also, did anyone ever ask what the "A" logo on the right arm was about? Last week's comic replys were all flamewar fodder, so if anyone had commented on it at the time, I missed it.
Secret Agent 000 4th Jun 2011, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
Hmmm...
Well, this is better than the other 2 comics, anyway.
Palma doesn't look so horrid...
Hmph.
I still prefer Morgenstern's art...
But if he thinks this will be better in the long run, I can agree to THIS page's character depictions.
As in, they are now visually faithful to their source...which is good.
Not Important 4th Jun 2011, 9:46 AM edit delete reply
Okay, this is exemplary. Well done, artist whose name escapes me. I can live with this.
Hobojoe007 4th Jun 2011, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
First pannel - Hey its Go, he needs a little work, his pants are just awkward.
Second pannel - Oh my God, here it comes...
Third pannel - PALMA SMASH!!!
Fourth pannel - WOW!! I can live with that! McCoy looks MUCH better (He's buff again!), Palma is GREAT in this pannel (the second and third pannels were not so great, could be the angle) but wait.... where is Guy O.o is that him on the castle, did he chicken out or what, since he is an expert at dodging, shouldn't HE have helped be a distraction?
Pinstripe 4th Jun 2011, 10:02 AM edit delete reply
Congrats on one year, Morgenstern! You've got a lot to show for it.
@Hobojoe007
Yes, that's him on the castle. But I don't think you're reading this right - clearly, Guy WAS the distraction. This fight scene was only a set-up for the Guy/Bob-omb love story that is the true heart and soul of Mushroom Go.
Pinstripe 4th Jun 2011, 10:03 AM edit delete reply
Oh, and congrats to Obfuscobble as well: this page is the best so far. The castle in particular looks amazing; beautiful shadow work there.
Lukkai 4th Jun 2011, 10:20 AM edit delete reply
Looking good, I like it (though Go looks a bit like a Bishie in panel 1, don't know if that's intentional)!

And not too bad tactics there. Martello and McCoy do the decoy thing, Go confuses the sensors with his abilities and Palma does it like a rogue.
And yep, from the looks of it, that's definitely Guy there on the castle. Though my guess would be he's there either as a backup for the team with some weaponry, as a lookout or (what I think is the case) rearguard if anything tries to sneak by the others and go for the castle.
Knoppe 4th Jun 2011, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
No offense, but palma was just made a little too manly
RADDman 4th Jun 2011, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
Happy anniversary of the comic, dude! :D
BlueMario 4th Jun 2011, 10:32 AM edit delete reply
Nice, short fight scene. Not too pointless, not to drawn out.
Palma's nice now.
(Insert forgotten third comment here)
Hobojoe007 4th Jun 2011, 10:32 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
I have to admit, I liked it when Palma's hair looked more like hair rather than palm branches. And I find it strange that Martello has a simple smiley face type smile (if that is her mouth)
RavenUp 4th Jun 2011, 10:41 AM edit delete reply
RavenUp
Purley Amazing, the art is great!! Palma looks WAY better
@Hobojoe007 Im pretty sure thats her nose
Hoy! Small Fry 4th Jun 2011, 10:46 AM edit delete reply
Hoy! Small Fry
HUZZAH! what an amazing job Obfuscobble!

Also...
image

I know, once again i have stolen from BitF XD
Krout 4th Jun 2011, 10:47 AM edit delete reply
I am just going to put this out there. I really liked your old style. It was unpolished and fun. I felt like it really fit the strip well. The new style you have looks wonderful, but I find it sort of lacking the comic element. (just my opinion) It certainly is still a great comic.
duskstalker 4th Jun 2011, 10:54 AM edit delete reply
As someone who absolutely hates gender stereotypes, comments like "looks to manly" just confuse me. Does she look too strong? Too commanding? Too threatening?
KZ 4th Jun 2011, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
Much, much better. Palma doesn't look anywhere near so off-model now.
Hobojoe007 4th Jun 2011, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
@RavenUp thanks, that would make more sense, haha!
Mr Pibbleton 4th Jun 2011, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
Mr Pibbleton
@Duskstalker

Well she is breaking a glass ceiling, maybe that's upsetting to some people?
Hobojoe007 4th Jun 2011, 11:11 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
@Starcat5 I think I know what the "A" logo is for!!! You remember Super Mario RPG? I think it could possibly be the Axem Rangers! That would be SHWEET! Any other guess as to what the "A" logo stands for?
GigaNerd17 4th Jun 2011, 11:22 AM edit delete reply
I had my doubts about this new art style, but this comic has DEFINITELY put my mind to rest. This comic's gonna go far! :D
Therazan 4th Jun 2011, 11:37 AM edit delete reply
Therazan
I think it would be awesome to have this kind of drawing with sketchy lines. Anyone agrees?
Hobojoe007 4th Jun 2011, 12:29 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
Yeah, that would help me settle in with this style better. It's pretty good right now, but sketchy lines would feel more like "home"

I wonder what Bonz0 has to say about this...

@Morgenstern, back to a question I had last comic. Since you are writing the story faster, and if Obfuscobble would be able to keep up with it, would you be able to update more frequently, or at least go back to twice a week?
Superkenkun 4th Jun 2011, 12:45 PM edit delete reply
@Hobojoe007
Hey, your shoop job has become the official comic in the last page. Congrats.

I really like how everything ended up in this page (except for Go... I think he has a boner, or is that just me?)
infinity6 4th Jun 2011, 1:18 PM edit delete reply
have to say, i DO like it now. almost as good as the old style. it would be nice to see the old way once more though, sniff*.
Owl 4th Jun 2011, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
Owl
My only issue with this comic is Go's hair in the first panel. It seems a good deal longer than in the last panel but maybe that's just me. Other than that, everything seems great! The backgrounds are good, McCoy seems more McCoy-y, and Palma looks great! This style seems to fit the comic well, and I am already starting to get used to it. Keep up the good work moving in to the second year of a great comic, Morgenstern and Obfuscobble!
Hobojoe007 4th Jun 2011, 1:29 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
@Superkenkun I don't see what you mean? all I did was shade the glasses in so you couldn't see her eyes, the original strip was edited by Obfuscobble to make her thinner.
Bonz0 4th Jun 2011, 1:39 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Yay! Palma is back and her brother Palman is nowhere to be seen.

Go looks...different here. More...gangly? Older? I don't know. Not bad, just different. I just hope he
loses this aggressive badass thing once his fire flower wears off. He's more entertaining as a failure hero.

McCoy's frills have been removed. I'll miss the shape of his head in the old comics and I'll probably still be bothered by his more realistic and detailed feet and beak, though.

Martello's arms still creep me the fuck out. The odd angle her head is at doesn't help in the slightest.

Onto the comic itself...why is everyone surprised at Palma's strength? I thought it was well established that she is the strongest physically of the group. She just doesn't have a lot of stamina and can't move fast for long periods of time. I think this was mentioned in one of the Piantissimo levels in Super Mario Sunshine.
Cassiopia 4th Jun 2011, 1:42 PM edit delete reply
Cassiopia
Sketchy lines NAOW!
but honestly, it's looking a lot better, though I'm still not in love with it. One thing for the future: if you want to make something look dynamic, don't have the same camera angle two panels in a row.
but that's ok because he's just guesting this chapter, right? RIGHT?
Jacquie H 4th Jun 2011, 3:08 PM edit delete reply
Yay! Happy anniversary! One year already? Wow, how time flies :D

BTW, seriously, Go has always worn a bandanna, and Palma was established to be a strong character: she's just not as strong as the other piantas, which means she can still break your arms like toothpicks.

Speaking of Palma, I'm so in love with her hair right now <3
Tegan 4th Jun 2011, 4:41 PM edit delete reply
I'm done reading your comic, now. I hated the first comic with the new art, but decided to wait it out till you came to your senses. Hated the second one, and all it did was make me realize that %80 of why I read Mushroom Go was for your art style. But it looks like you're sticking with this bull. What a waste. -_-
Guest 4th Jun 2011, 5:09 PM edit delete reply
I spy Go.
Haya 4th Jun 2011, 5:14 PM edit delete reply
Haya
People who are saying they're stopping reading this and saying that they can't enjoy it as much clearly were never real fans. Its almost a mockery of Muhroom Go to say that all you cared about was the art, like the brilliant story never meant anything to you than a titbit addon.

Edit: this is clearly a shameful example of "they changed it now it sucks" http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks

"This trope is not only used for adaptations and translations. It is also applicable to ongoing series where a significant change is made between seasons. The trope can be explained in terms of prospect theory, where fans are much more averse to losing any aspects of the original, compared to the enjoyment gained from any "improvements"."
Grimlock13 4th Jun 2011, 5:38 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
Happy anniversary Mushroom Go!!!
Lets all wish that it will last many years, no matter how it will look in the end! (the last part of the wish may be subjected to a few change in the future... naaaww, just kidding)
Mihas 4th Jun 2011, 5:40 PM edit delete reply
Ah, I didn't comment last week because I was unsure how I felt but this. This is good, I like this a lot. It's a nice middle ground and I want to thank Obfuscobble for obliging you, Morgenstern, and I want to thank you for obliging your readers. I still think the character designs might need a bit of work (for example, Go's waist seems a bit too thin and I, personally, don't know how I feel about his eyes, though I like the different eyes for different species thing Obfuscobble or you (where does the blame lie! D:>), have going on) however this is a much nicer style to look at. Thank you so much, I am looking forward to future comics a lot (for lack of a better synonym for "lots").

EDIT: Also, glad to know you've powered through the year, Morgenstern. Looking forward to the next one.
Bonz0 4th Jun 2011, 6:17 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
No, Haya, you're wrong. A lot of people enjoyed this comic primarily because they liked to see Morgenstern's versions of Mario species, not obfuscobbles fantasy goblins with goomba eyebrows. The story was so great because of the characters and the characters were so great because they were classic mario characters mixed with Morgenstern's artwork.

People are allowed to stop liking something, alright? Can you people handle that without looking down on them?
Cammiluna 4th Jun 2011, 6:45 PM edit delete reply
Cammiluna
Congratulations!
Zer0 limit 4th Jun 2011, 7:22 PM edit delete reply
This style has been edited to match yours, but my opinion still stands that your style makes the comic flow better. If both the script and art come from the same mind, then the story seems to have solidarity in its direction.
Zer0 limit 4th Jun 2011, 7:24 PM edit delete reply
Also, Congrats on the 1st anniversary.
Face 4th Jun 2011, 8:44 PM edit delete reply
Regarding the art change:

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/DOzxA.gif" title="Hosted by imgur.com" />
Face 4th Jun 2011, 8:46 PM edit delete reply
Well that didn't work. Sorry about the mess :V
Haya 4th Jun 2011, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
Haya
@ Bonz0
Do you see how close this is now to what his style was? it's almost as if it's the same just with more able to be done with it. This is Morgensterns Version of them, not Obfusucobble's, I wouldn't even say it's Obfusucobbles version of Morgensterns art because he is trying to emulate it as close as possible.
Also I highly expect Morgenstern to have a say in how any future characters look.

My point is that people are being so demanding and even childish over Morgenstern doing something to stop burning himself out, that they've latched onto his old art and declared that everything will suck without it. This whole concept is a fallacy.
Snerku 4th Jun 2011, 9:03 PM edit delete reply
I don't think anybody would hold anything against somebody for no longer liking something, unless they stuck around in a very vocal manner about how they don't like it anymore
Happy anniversary! This page is looking fantastic, the tweaking of the art style is working great and really fast. Good job all round!
Hobojoe007 4th Jun 2011, 9:13 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
I have to agree with Haya about this. And I will admit that I was one of the people he is describing the past two weeks. But THIS comic is much better. I believe morgenstern is doing what he sees as best, and I can accept it now. I just couldnt accept the past two.
Ranter 4th Jun 2011, 9:22 PM edit delete reply
Haya, you're in the wrong. You are one of the lucky fans who had their way-- you are so lucky because you got what you wanted. Do you think that means you win? Do you think Morgenstern giving you and a few others this gift makes you better than those who had something that made them happy taken away? You do, whether you know it or not, so please read this slowly so that it may sink in. You rub salt in their wounds with your insults. These people aren't false-fans. They are true fans who are art-lovers, visual-learners, and experienced comic book readers who have grown into comics enough to where when they see a character drawn by Morgenstern, they see everything about the character. This is a different point of view than yours, and you would insult them only because of that? You do, whether you mean it or not.

Now, you lucky few who got your way, isn't winning enough? You feel like it isn't, you want satisfication as well. You want to be right, and make everyone else know that they were wrong. That's natural, anyone would. No doubt, if our roles were switched and Morgenstern had gone back to drawing each page, we would, too have been whispering to eachother, "They were never true fans." And yet, it's unnecissary, so have a little compassion. So, try to understand these losers, you winners, and how heartfelt their lost cause, and how lucky you are.
Bonz0 4th Jun 2011, 9:27 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
@Haya

I brought up the fantasy goomblins for a reason, Haya. I'm talking about all the different background characters. All of the species that aren't seen as often. So far we've only seen Obfuscobble draw two characters that weren't main ones and they were so glittered up that not a single person would be able to identify them as goombas outside of this comic.

Morgenstern DID have a say how they looked. We saw the rough sketch he sent Obfuscobble and the characters he drew were easily identifiable as goombas. You can stick to your speculation that he'll do much better with side characters in the future. I'll stick to the evidence I have so far.

Nobody is being demanding or childish. You're just trying to group everyone together as a stereotype to make them easier to berate and look down upon. For all you know the people you think are against Morgenstern not burning himself out are the same ones who would rather have one awesome Morgenstern drawn comic every two weeks rather than one Obfuscobble comic every week. I know I'd be alright with that.

Declaring it will suck? No, that's not what I'm seeing. They're declaring that they simply won't be able to enjoy the comic if it is not drawn by the artist they believe illustrates the comic best. This is not something one has control over, you know. If you stop liking something you stop liking something. They can and should tell Morgenstern they are leaving the comic. If you were in Morgenstern's place wouldn't you want to if and why you were losing fans?

Don't say they're not real fans. I HATE fan elitism. I can't stand it when fans decide that you're not allowed to call yourself a fan of something if you don't know everything about it, or if you don't completely embrace every single aspect of it, or if you weren't in it since the beginning, ect.

Guest 4th Jun 2011, 9:51 PM edit delete reply
Perfect. I absolutely love the art here. I think this is a great balance of your old and new styles. Very cool, and congrats on the One Year
Haya 4th Jun 2011, 10:11 PM edit delete reply
Haya
@ Ranter

I Never really had a side wether the old art or new art would be better, all I truely cared about was that Morgenstern got what he wanted, and was allowed to do what he wanted with his comic. Sure it sounds like I'm pushing the new art but I did enjoy the old art profusely also I just think that if morgenstern wants this and some people just can't support him there's something wrong there.

@ Bonz0

If you're not reading the comic anymore you're not a fan and if you can walk away from something I could hardly consider you a fan in the first place.

I am seeing quite a few people who dislike the change going off like the comic is now meaningless without without Morgensterns art, maybe saying that they were 'declaring it sucks without him' is too strong but it's clear that they cannot look past that and that is my point.

I saw quite a few posts on the previous pages demanding that Morgenstern changes back, and also that the people who didn't like what they saw at first not willing to give Ofusucobble a chance to make it better. Anyone who does that I would call childish for completely disregarding what having Obfusucobble could become (and quite clearly is becoming) in favour of exactly what they want to have. Also I didn't notice anyone mentioning that they don't want Morgenstern Struggling that didn't habe an unbiased opinion or didn't understand why he wanted Obfusucobbles help.
I know a lot of people hated it when they first saw it (indeed the first on these three I hated also) but they were willing to give him a chance and it has paid off.

Your comment about the goombas is irellevant because it was in the strip where Morgenstern had just let Obfusucobble do what he wanted before being more specific. They weren't particularly Goomba like but that was all a test and also I should note that Morgenster had said that he was a fan of that design. I'd bet that the next time they appear they will in fact look simmilar to that, but far closer to the The style the Obfusucobble's creating by emulating Mogenstern.

In closing, My oppinion is that I find it annoying that some people can be so closed minded and unwilling to accept change that they become a drag on those and what can make something better. Morgenstern did jump to change this now due to some pressure that his art wasn't brilliant, but he had been struggling and considering this for a long time which is something that he believes will Make Mushroom Go better and I am right behind whatever he wants to do.
Sirwilson 4th Jun 2011, 10:55 PM edit delete reply
Since it seems there is still a fence to be on I'd like to point out that in my opinion the original style was better. I preferred it a little more....rounded I guess, and something I always like to do is watch as a creator's style evolves.

Also I kinda feel that this style is noticeably less like the mario source material than the old one. I know this is hardly game sprites but...let me put it this way, I recognized McCoy as a raven from the games in the old style, I wouldn't in this one. Same goes for Palma.

And if we are gonna be keeping this style, could I ask that the new artist try to draw Palma specifically with the same proportions as the old style, having different characters with noticeably different proportions is a very rare thing as far as web comics go, same with the varying angles.

If nothing else I hope the greatest strengths of the old style can live on, even if the drawing itself at times wasn't the best "though I thought it was getting pretty good" the techniques were always fantastic.
Evdog 4th Jun 2011, 11:21 PM edit delete reply
Evdog
Wow, that was great! I was expecting, though, the bob-omb to say something as it was being thrown away.

Ranter said: "Haya, you're in the wrong".
That's rage fuel right there.

Personally, I don't mind who draws, as long as it's not like it was HERE. This Obfuscobble/Morgenstern rant almost feels like a Democrat/Republican rant: They're not that different, and everybody else doesn't care.


And by the way, this is what A TRUE FAN is like.
Haya 5th Jun 2011, 12:10 AM edit delete reply
Haya
@ Evdog
It is my dream to one day become a true fan, until then I'll do my best to be cool.

Also, I refuse to give into rage inspired posting, debate should be kept as debate. as soon as it goes past that nothing is objective.


edit: woah I just realised how much commenting I had done. I think I'll limit myself to anything directed at my from now.
Whistle-tall 5th Jun 2011, 12:20 AM edit delete reply
This is my last comment for the art dispute. I agree with all those here that say the art is good where it is currently.

...Not to jinx anything, but thank goodness that's over with. Anipy-Hapversary Morgenstern.
Whistle-tall 5th Jun 2011, 12:27 AM edit delete reply
PS @Evdog That's a good comparison.
corvuscorone68 5th Jun 2011, 2:51 AM edit delete reply
a TRUE fan keeps it cool, with the breeze inducement and all
TheCultist 5th Jun 2011, 4:01 AM edit delete reply
Alright. I'll keep my comment short:

Congratulations! You survived the Internets for over a year! *Hands over Medal of Digital Honour to Morgenstern*

I think this is quite a good basis to continue your work together on, Obfuscobble and Morgenstern. I will gladly keep an eye on this.
Duke 5th Jun 2011, 5:53 AM edit delete reply
Stay for the story.
Be bipolar on leaving because of the new art.
fuzzy3158 5th Jun 2011, 6:40 AM edit delete reply
fuzzy3158
Nice comic. Good resolution of the battle.
I'm just wondering what kind of heavy artillery they're gonna be facing next. Makes me think of mecha-bowser and stuff :)
Evdog 5th Jun 2011, 6:56 AM edit delete reply
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Hopefully not this Mecha-Bowser.
I_am_Solid_Snaek 5th Jun 2011, 7:18 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
I actually logged on for my (probably irrelavent) rant...
I think that the new style is too jarring too...clean, and I miss that gritty feel. And a sense of growing better in your art as your webcomic progresses.I read only 3 webcomics, BitF, Awkward Zombie, and Mushroom Go. I regulrly enjoy going back in the archives and seeing the way the artists (Especially you, Morgenstern) progress.

So, uh... I get the feeling that someone's gone and released the trolls.

On another note, Palma just smashed throug glass, but it's probably bulletproof, or just really thick. Her arm isn't cut up because it's still in there... punching thruogh the glass isn't the problem. Getting an arm out is what causes all the gaping flesh wounds.
I_am_Solid_Snaek 5th Jun 2011, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
Oh, is that guy or just a pink bob-omb in the tower?
not steve 5th Jun 2011, 8:15 AM edit delete reply
ha, the hill has eyes. and that speck does look like guy. who knows? oh yeah the artists. my bad.
FutureVgd 5th Jun 2011, 8:50 AM edit delete reply
completley off topic but if a Toad can do that with a fireflower imagine how badass mario and luigi actually are. that would make me hide in the grand canyon for a few weeks.
Azureink 5th Jun 2011, 11:11 AM edit delete reply
The art style used in this comic is now true to the original. I am pleased.
Cassiopia 5th Jun 2011, 11:35 AM edit delete reply
Cassiopia
@Evdog
That fan's a sell out!
This is a true fan!
RICK BO 5th Jun 2011, 12:02 PM edit delete reply
RICK BO
Better, much better. I still prefer Morgenstern's art, but this is more than acceptable.



'grats on the full year, hope there's many more to come.
infinity6 5th Jun 2011, 1:10 PM edit delete reply
oh my gosh. the hill in first panel has eyes... very clever..
Rage-Nakasa 5th Jun 2011, 2:11 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
Ok, we get it. Borz0. Haya, Ranter... please stop this. the first two pages of this was fun to read the arguments... but it beginning to get tiresome. I can say I was one who wanted the old style back.. but I'm also giving this new art a chance. and you guys wanna talk about being fans of something or what not... just stop it. please. just enjoy the comic and it's story. think of it this way. if Morgenstern wanted to. he could have written this as a fanfic and left us to ourselves to imagination what they look like.
Bonz0 5th Jun 2011, 2:53 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
The hell are you talking about, Nage-Rakasa? I haven't said anything for nearly a day. I've clearly stopped arguing with Haya. We'll go back to talking about the comic when something actually happens, alright? The last three pages have just been the crew fighting a mecha.
Rage-Nakasa 5th Jun 2011, 3:00 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
Sorry, just getting annoyed with all the comments like that. I can see that now.. sence my refresh. *has had comp on all night to do a scan* *not that anyone cares about that* I just want everyone to enjoy the comic...
Jeff 5th Jun 2011, 3:32 PM edit delete reply
Okay, I have been loving the comic for some time and I don't think I have said anything. I always enjoyed the uniqueness of the art style before. however I like the new art style a lot too. Have a great one and here's to many more years of greatness!!
Haya 5th Jun 2011, 4:08 PM edit delete reply
Haya
Indeed debate happened and now it's over. There's nothing wrong with that.
Gideon G. Graves 5th Jun 2011, 6:46 PM edit delete reply
Gideon G. Graves
I don't know when I started reading this comic, but once I had caught up I wanted more. A year of your work has kept a lot of us entertained. Good work buddy
Fwee 5th Jun 2011, 7:04 PM edit delete reply
Had to say that I liked the psychotic look Go used to have whenever he had a fire flower, and I don't really see that here... probably just me, though.
The Good Wario 5th Jun 2011, 7:25 PM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
so is he keeping this style?

if yes... damn
That Ball of Goo 5th Jun 2011, 7:37 PM edit delete reply
SERIOUSLY... This art debate should've ended days ago. Don't get me wrong, there was bits of the new art I disliked *coughcoughMccoycomic80coughcough*, but it seems fine now.
@Morgenstern: Congrats on the comiversary This is my BitF account name. I will try to suscribe to your comic.
NotJoe 5th Jun 2011, 8:03 PM edit delete reply
NotJoe
Duke wins the comment section.
Evdog 5th Jun 2011, 8:03 PM edit delete reply
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"Ah, so you think you've beaten that Mecha Bob-omb? Is that what you think? I'm so sorry to inform you, but in fact, all of this has been a part of my elaborate scheme, and all your pathetic fighting has just helped me bring my true plan one step closer to completion. Fools."
Sman X 5th Jun 2011, 8:17 PM edit delete reply
Sman X
Grats on the 1 year. Can't wait to see what the next year has in store! Keep up the good fight!
Therazan 5th Jun 2011, 9:53 PM edit delete reply
Therazan
OK. Now I absolutely want to see Bowser as a Xanatos-like villain in that comic. Which could lead the Chainless to discover that they are actually working FOR the Koopa Kindom.
MeowMixIsorCats339 6th Jun 2011, 12:37 AM edit delete reply
"Go" get a hair cut.
GupyF 6th Jun 2011, 12:39 AM edit delete reply
I just needed to get this out...I have ALWAYS WANTED TO PUNCH SOMETHING LIKE THAT!

Can you Imagine how Epic that Would be? Haha XD
Lord of the Chickens 6th Jun 2011, 12:40 AM edit delete reply
@Evdog Seeing that picture reminds me of Nostalgia Critic....
tutter 6th Jun 2011, 12:52 AM edit delete reply
tutter
Three things

1) Great comic as always, they always seem so short but anything is better then nothing by an infinite amount.

2) Anyone who has played super mario sunshine knows that all the pianta can throw the fat plumber a good hundred feet or two into the air with a machine strapped to his back. And those are the fat lazy ones. Palma obviously gets out a lot more, and like they said in her flashback, "it's like being slow for a bullet." SO YEAH, SHE HAS ABOVE AVERAGE STRENGTH.

3)There are just a few things left in this comic that I don't believe that Morgenstern could have drawn. One are the eyes that Go has. Two are the curves that Palma has. Three is the inconsistency that is poor Martello who seems to change in physique every comic.
And four is the awesome dynamic fighting lines along with the fire and lighting effects... gives it more of the 2.5d look that color comics have.

All right that's my critique of the comic the next post will be my hopes and questions comment. Why do multiple comments? Because no one likes a wall of words.
tutter 6th Jun 2011, 1:04 AM edit delete reply
tutter
All right... the fight sequences have always been a bit on the long side. Which is very uncommon for popular things. *cough*DragonballZ,Inuyasha,ReroniKenshin,[insert name of anime]*cough*.

I understand that the seperation of the comics gives us the illusion that some time has passed but in this case... no time has passed between the comics.

There's no real way to fix this other than making a really long comic, which is understandably the opposite of what you want to do.

I'm waiting for the part where they look behind the mecha and there's a larger army behind them.

I'm also waiting to see or hear about Guy's traumatized past and why he's hiding or is scared of bob-ombs (not that I blame him... it's kind of scary being around talking walking sentient and some times self aware bombs).

Anyways, I can't wait to see what next comic holds, and hopefully it'll reveal a bit more then some of the latest.

... Oh and I forgot to mention that as always, I only make up one small part of a massive and loyal fan base, and as such, I need to be humble and remember that my opinion doesn't matter much.

edit: *Is feeling like jerk for not mentioning the anniversary*. Happy anniversary. Sorry I forgot about it. I know you aren't expecting much... but I got you this. *Pulls out ring*. Mushroom Go... will you marry me?... *Everyone in restaurant starts to cheer and applaud... then rejection occurs and complete silence*. (Several years later) *Standing in dark corner in the closet he calls home in the middle of a dump. Sitting in front of commerical with a picture of Go on the wall* H...H... Happy Anni...Anni...Anniversary..... MY PRECIOUS!!!

(Look at what you did)
CyberSkull 6th Jun 2011, 1:11 AM edit delete reply
CyberSkull
I'm looking forward to reading this comic for years to come! :D
Mr. Vareel 6th Jun 2011, 1:43 AM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
Λs far as the art goes, I think that at this point my only complaint is that there are no sketchy lines. Everything else is great though. Λctually, I think the absence of sketchy lines was the only thing I really had a problem with in the first place, but maybe (probably) that's just me.
Krono Koopa 6th Jun 2011, 2:09 AM edit delete reply
Wow very awsome its my new wall paper!
Steve 6th Jun 2011, 8:18 AM edit delete reply
HI!!!:P
I_am_Solid_Snaek 6th Jun 2011, 8:31 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
Steve...
Shut up, you incessant, annoying...thing.
That got old so long ago...
Well, Morgenstern, happy anniversary!
NotJoe 6th Jun 2011, 9:24 AM edit delete reply
NotJoe
Didn't Steve cease for like a good month or two and then suddenly resurface?
Koolerkid 6th Jun 2011, 10:10 AM edit delete reply
Aaaah, good. That horrid monstrosity from last week is gone, and Palma is back instead. She seems to have spontaneously become an action hero, oddly, but I'll accept that under the "weak Piantas are like slow bullets" theory. Also, Go's powers seemed to have increased dramatically, but it looks AWESOME so I shall not complain. Ob's work is improving rapidly, and though I still have a slight preference for your old art, the anime nerd in me is LOVING this.
Muchacho NL 6th Jun 2011, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
Ob's art isn't improving....
He's just downscaling it to the simple version we're used to.
I find it offensive to Obfuscobble to say that he is improving when he did a masterpiece like the detailed McCoy and the Captain.

also: "That horrid monstrosity from last week is gone, and Palma is back instead" please, grow up :)
There's only a slight difference, no need to overreact by calling it a monstrosity.

It's a shame Obfuscobble had to dumb down his art because of you people yelling that it's not what you're used to instead of giving the new art a chance.

Basically you all just want Obfuscobble to draw as bad as Morgenstern, just say it... man up already.
If you got the guts to truely hurt an artist by saying that you don't like this comic anymore because of the new art, then have the guts to not suck up to him when he is deteriorating his art just to please a bunch of whiners.
And especially don't rub salt in the wounds by saying he's IMPROVING.
Just be a man and say: "Obfuscobble, we appreciate your effort, but we're all a bunch of whiners with a delusion of power, which makes us believe that you two will do whatever we say if we all say it loud enough, so start drawing Mushroom Go as badly as Morgernstern did".

With all due respect: Morgenstern is a far better artist then me, I wouldn't even be able to draw two perfectly similar stick figures.

But it's the "sucky" art we all came to love.

I personally want a first row seat to any of Obfuscobble's web-comics, I love his style and I really envy him.
If I had only a slight bit of talent like he has, I would be able to draw some images for my own book.


There... I said it.
Been a long time reader, newbie poster, but I've seen you guys bitching for no apparent reason whatsoever for quite long enough.
It has to end.

Voice up on what you really want because Obfuscobble will keep drawing because Morgenstern needs him to.
If you want the old art, just really genuinely ask for Obfuscobble to at least try and draw as "sucky" as Morgenstern.

(Again: No assault to Morgensterns art, I just lack the proper wording for your drawing style :D )
Arrakis 6th Jun 2011, 1:56 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho:

So you're saying that the first Martello was a good match for how she acts? In one of the early comics Martello was fixing the plumbing of the ship, I could in no way see the Obfuscobble Martello doing that.

People are saying it's improving because the style is fitting the characters now. The way I see it, it's a complement as people are getting over the "they changed it so now it sucks" mentality and feel that the new art should stay.

At least, that's how it is for me >_>

By the way, does the NL have anything to do with Newfoundland and Labrador?
Rage-Nakasa 6th Jun 2011, 2:19 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
*annoied* enough with the fighting... please. if it's not one thing, it's another.. just enjoy the comic people.
Bonz0 6th Jun 2011, 3:59 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Fine, Rage. I REALLY want to point out all of the stupidity Muchacho's comment is riddled with but I think I've done enough arguing. It grows tiresome.
Arrakis 6th Jun 2011, 4:29 PM edit delete reply
I enjoyed the complete take-down of the mech by typically less useful members of the crew; also the mountain with the face ^_^
drakvl 6th Jun 2011, 4:44 PM edit delete reply
It's like the comments for the sepia chapter over at Guilded Age.

Given the number of artists I've seen go on hiatus for tendonitis, I feel worse things could happen than for the writer to hire a separate artist. (As a wise woman once told me, it's all in the writing! Of course, she was describing what defines an anime as anime.) My main concern is that, if Morgenstern has hired Obfuscobble as his artist (which I think he said once), this comic has become a revenue drain for him.

Also, Go looks rather villainy in this ep. Is that intended?
Muchacho NL 6th Jun 2011, 4:45 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
@ Arrakis: No, it stands for the Netherlands... a country in Europe. NL being it's official abbreviation.
Also known as Holland (not to be confused by the town called Holland in Michigan).

@ Bonz0: I dare you to write me a Private Message in which you can elaborate to what parts of my message are 'stupid'.
All I can say is you're just out of fresh remarks.

@ Rage: that's what I've been saying, allthough a bit more elaborate.
Ranter 6th Jun 2011, 5:02 PM edit delete reply
The reason people are fighting so much is because Morgenstern still hasn't officially chosen a type of art, he keeps saying, "So, we might, maybe, sorta, kinda, have Obfuscobble draw the art for just a little while, and if people don't like it, then I'll switch back."
That sort of indescisiveness gives people hope that if they just fight back a *little* bit harder, then they might get their way.
What he needs to do is just stand up and say, "This is my comic, I like it this way, and there is nothing that you can do about it."
I could be wrong, but I think the reason he doesn't is because he's afraid of losing his fans. It's a legitamate fear-- we of the fanbase are split 50-50, now. No matter which way he goes, an entire half is a big number to lose, or worse, to anger.
But, the time has come for him to just grin and bear it. If he truly likes Obfuscobble's art; if he meant it when he told us that he'd wanted to hire an artist since before the comic was posted; if what he wants is really only what is best for the comic; then he needs to stand up without comprimise.
Now, don't get me wrong, I've been rallying for the old art from the beginning, but it seems like Morgenstern has made up his mind, so it's just a matter of honesty, really, that he share that belief with the rest of us, and without comprimise.
GigsVigilance 6th Jun 2011, 7:03 PM edit delete reply
Personally I have a bit of trouble telling what exactly happened just now, if Feel like this has disrupted the story progression, somehow, even though the art is unrelated to the story. The characters definately lost their Desert Rag-tag Grit appeal. I'm dissapointed. Mc Coy is the exception, he still looks awesome but I digress. I'll give it a chance but it looks like I might be dropping this series in the near future.
NotJoe 6th Jun 2011, 7:56 PM edit delete reply
NotJoe
Hey Vigilance. Maybe you should have been more VIGILANT so you could have seen what happened! *slaps knee*
Ranter 6th Jun 2011, 8:21 PM edit delete reply
@NotJoe

Ha.
Ranter 6th Jun 2011, 11:22 PM edit delete reply
@ Muchacho

You know, I had a whole entire rant written out to take your challenge, so that Bonz0 wouldn't have to, but I just deleted paragraphs upon paragraphs of clever ranting and making fun of you...how ignorant you are and what a minority, and insulting your taste in art and how rude and hypocritical you are and everything...because I *just* realized how *little* you are worth it. wow. huh.

And here I was going to suggest the you must like disgusting shoujo and threaten to tar and feather you and everything...
Hobojoe007 7th Jun 2011, 12:23 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
GUYSGUYSGUYSSSSSS!!!!

IM COMMENTING FROM MY 3DS!!!

The new software update rocks!!!
tutter 7th Jun 2011, 1:41 AM edit delete reply
tutter
Right... so I think I'm going back to my original plan of not scrolling any farther down then Morgenstern's follow up comment. It seems the farther down this page goes the trashier and rantier the trashy rants get.... Obfuscobble (Is that it? Did I do it right! Probably not. Anyways) You keep on keeping on.

@Obfuscobble: I thought your original drawing of Martello you did was a beautiful and brilliant interpertation of Martello. Sadly, you are being booed out by some of the crowd because it is way too beautiful and not tom-boy enough. A first time "mistake" which unexpectedly caused a flame war which will never stop regardless of what you do. If you continue drawing for Morgenstern, people will keep complaining. If Morgenstern goes back, people will complain.

@Hobojoe: You are so lucky... I probably won't get a 3ds till my younger brother's birthday. (That was a bit of sarcastic irony.)

@Ranter: Thank you for not following your user-name sake and deleting it all. Long posts like this one are just powder kegs for arguments. Especially if they're not neutral, like the redacted paragraph from below.
Evdog 7th Jun 2011, 3:04 AM edit delete reply
Evdog
At what point did Morgenstern and Obfuscobble lose their humanity? They are human beings. With lives. With feelings. Matt and Ya are working hard on this project. Please don't treat them the same way my country (Australia) is treating our refugees.

@ Muchacho NL: I understand what you're saying and identify with you (somewhat), but it would help you a lot if you didn't abuse people in the process: You don't gain as many enemies.

@ Hobojoe: AW COOL! I didn't the 3DS did that.

Not Steve 7th Jun 2011, 8:27 AM edit delete reply
whatever direction morgenstern decides to go i will accept. if he decides to go with this new art style i will be disapointed but like i said, i will accept it. Honestly i would prefer the old art style though.

Also think morgenstern needs to make a final decision regarding the issue at hand.
Hobojoe007 7th Jun 2011, 9:37 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
@Evdog Nintendo just made a 3DS update that includes an internet browser and the 3DS eShop, I HAVS A 3D POKEDEX :P
Pinstripe 7th Jun 2011, 10:08 AM edit delete reply
@tutter
Right, so instead he/she just wrote a paragraph full of passive-aggressive vitriol directed against Muchacho personally.

Come on, guys. Talking about the comic is fine, and criticism is to be not only expected but desired. But let's not make it personal, okay? This is directed as much against the people in favor of the new art as those against it - Muchacho, your earlier post came across as extremely hostile.
Therazan 7th Jun 2011, 12:40 PM edit delete reply
Therazan
Just saying... LUIGI'S MANSION ON 3DS!!!
Muchacho NL 7th Jun 2011, 12:46 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
@ Evedog: While I understand what you mean, I must say that calling people to the facts isn't really abusive.
I might be a bit too sober to get this, but I seriously can not fathom what the whole fuss is about.
So the art is different, so what, it's not the end of the world (which some of us really imply).

As for Ranter: The fan-base is NOT split 50-50.
Morgenstern will NOT lose or anger 50% of his fan-base if he went with the art in Comic #80.
It's not more then 5% that really leaves when the artform of Comic #80 is being pursued.
Another 5% will keep bitching, but will keep reading anyway.
About 30% will try to guide Obfuscobble back to Morgenstern's original style, or as close as possible.
50% won't care much: they like both styles.
and 10% (or less) prefers the style of Obfuscobble in comic #80 over anything else.

I'm with the vast 50% BUT.. I feel that Obfuscobble should keep it as he did at comic #80.
He shouldn't be drawing like someone else, he should be drawing it in his own style.

Sure you might find my post rude... I'm used to that... at least you know what to expect of me... but later on you're saying I'm hypocritical, which is the exact opposite of what I am... Sure you can think you can make fun of me, and I really love to read it in a Private Message so A: you can get it out of your system, and B: I get to laugh a bit.
Because basically, I'm not personally offended by an anonymous person who thinks he's all high and mighty to be thinking you know my exact taste by just that post...
Basically you're telling me I'm either gay or secretly a girl for liking Shoujo (girl-oriented manga/anime), and a bit back in your post you're saying *I'm* rude and hypocritical.
You're just the pot that's saying the kettle is black.

@Pinstripe: I can understand my post is interpreted as hostile, and I kind of expected it to be interpreted as hostile.
It wasn't really meant as hostile, but more like a wake up call.
Unfortunately the effect was completely overshot, but then again: I usually put a finger on the sore spot and people are mostly thankful for this approach.
Appearantly people like Bonz0 and Ranter aren't such people and are taking it personally... too bad for them.

The internet has given us a false sense of rights.

As a fan-base most of us think we have the RIGHT to complain about the art, and the RIGHT to read said web-comic the way WE like.

But that's the wrong way around.

We have the PRIVILEGE of witnessing this web-comic.
We have the PRIVILEGE to keep reading, or leaving.
We have the PRIVILEGE of being able to comment upon this strip.
But we do NOT have the RIGHT to expect Morgenstern to follow up on our "demands".

Please keep that in mind.

@Arakkis: I forgot to reply to you about Martello...
No, she was too girly in Comic #79, I agree with you on that.
But I think that Comic #80 was almost perfect.
The white of Palma's eyes shouldn't be there, and I think her hands were too big, but that's ALL.
All Obfuscobble did in #81 is drawing everyone even simpler (except for Go... the main character).
DemonBlood 7th Jun 2011, 1:26 PM edit delete reply
@Muchacho: You got it dude! I absolutly agree with you and am now going to humbly ask Obfuscobble to use the sketchy lines.

To all the people who keep on bitching: To live maens to change, deal with it!

And at last, happy Anniversary Morgenstern! Keep it going, you rock!
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 1:58 PM edit delete reply
@Pinstripe and Tutter

Anytime!

Muchacho called me and those I agree with a whiner and bitch, in way of saying that anyone who liked the tone and art of Morgenstern was a liar, and anyone with an opinion that differs from his is an idiot.
And to tell you the truth, just look at my past posts and you'll see that I really wasn't fighting for one way or another-- at least in that, though I like Morgenstern's art, I also want a firm decision to be made-- until Muchacho gave that ignorant speech. You heard him! At least I can empathize for those I fight against! He's too stupid and narcissistic to see even himself clearly!
Muchacho NL 7th Jun 2011, 2:39 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
Ranter, don't say I said things I didn't say.
*reads back, yeah... that's right*
Don't take things on a personal level when things were never on a personal level.
I never said nor meant anything about people disagreeing with me being idiots or people who like Morgenstern's art to be liars.
If really want to disagree, just say so... don't imply I said things I haven't said.

If you think I adressed you personally... then you're one of the people who were booing and hissing at Obfuscobble for making a change.

Without change we would still be the club swinging Neanderthals we were a million years ago.
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 3:03 PM edit delete reply
@ Muchacho

Your statistics are off--every single one--and as there wasn't any type of a poll, it's easy to see that you made them up on the spot. On that basis, I'll skip over them. If anyone else wants to correct him, feel free.

Although, creating an original style is good, speaking as an artist myself, the sign of a good artist is one who can take on many different styles, depending on what is right for the tone of the comic. Naturally, I am also speaking from experience as someone who has made many different comics with many different tones.

When I was calling you hypocritical, I was referring to the "grow up" comment. Koolerkid had an opinion that had the basic intent to encourage Ob by saying, summarized, "I didn't like last week, but you're really getting better! Not only that, but it makes sense with the past story lines!". His enthusiasm for the new comic making him hyperbole. His use of "horrid monstrosity" was only a reference to a running joke in the last comics comments. Ob's first drawing of Palma was obese looking and manish. Everyone made fun of it, and Ob redrew the comic, making it look better. One person even dubbed that version "Palman", and it was funny. The joke reference went right over your head, and that's fine-- it happens all the time-- your mistake was to jump on him and troll over a single negative sentence, acting like a child, and giving him a piece of advise that I think YOU needed. Koolerkid didn't mean any harm, he was making a reference that 15 others have made before, and you shot him and his basically positive comment and his original opinion down with a "grow up".

If you're used to people thinking you're rude, don't you think that's a sign to stop being so rude and use less profanity, so that people will stop thinking of you that way, and start taking you seriously? I don't take rude people seriously, not even if they are rallying for a side I agree with. I think they are ignorant and should be ignored. Even as I talk to you, nothing you say holds weight with me.

I'm sorry you took it that way, but you really looked to deeply in to my words. What I was really suggesting with the "shoujo" comment, was that you liked Ob's first page holding Martello and fan art of McCoy-- both of whom were a bit too feminine for my tastes.
Bonz0 7th Jun 2011, 3:06 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Not just Luigi's Mansion, Therazan, but an actual SEQUEL! Not just a remake like we all thought!
Guest 7th Jun 2011, 3:36 PM edit delete reply
@ Muchacho:
You're not insulting anyone? Really? Because you insulted me. Directly. You directly said that my comment was childish and that I needed to, and I quote: "grow up". That's not an insult? It sounded insulting. I am now officially insulted.

...I think I've made my point. I apologize for the rant.

Also, @Ranter, I was actually specifically referring to my own post in the last comment, where I actually directly called that version of Palma a 'horrid monstrosity'. But otherwise, yeah, you're right. That comment was meant as encouragement to Ob; his art is... well, I wouldn't say 'improving', since form a technical standpoint his art was already amazing, and still is. But it's falling more in line with the characterization of Mushroom Go. Palma looks like a teen female rather than a... whatever she was. Martello looks like a rough-and-tumble tomboy rather than the pretty, swishy bimbo she was in the first Ob comic. McCoy is his usual badass self, and Go has gained a few awesome points with his new look (and new belt buckle! Did you notice that? It's cool!) Keep at it, Ob; another comic or two and the flame war should start shifting in your favor.

And, Muchacho? Grow up. Seriously.
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 3:36 PM edit delete reply
@Muchacho

How right you are, I should have quoted my sources. My English teacher would roll in her grave if she wasn't still alive.

"Basically you all just want Obfuscobble to draw as bad as Morgenstern, just say it... man up already."
I think this works for the 'personal level' and the 'liars' accusation. The term 'you all' equates to 'every single one of you'. You don't seem to comprehend that, although I may be anonymous, I am still a person. And when I, as a person, read that comment, I recognized myself as one of the people you meant to speak directly to, and was therefore insulted personally. This is what happens when you type something--people read it as though you were speaking directly to them. Understand it.
You accuse me as a liar by saying that, although I or others write comments that say I or they like Morgenstern's art better than Ob's, we don't. We just don't like change. You call us dishonest by saying that quote, and tell us to "man up". I was hurt by that.

It's true that you never specifically wrote that anyone who disagreed with you is stupid. It was your actions and abuse of those who like Morgenstern or think that Ob's fist couple of art's didn't match the sand pirate atmosphere, that said it to me. You were rude, profane, insulting, and wrong. You directed these comments to people who, compared to the last few pages, trolled very little, and it was literally uncalled for. (As a note, I do mean literally, especially when you compare our two situations. I comment on you comments because you DID call for evaluation, and no other reason.)

I have said that I disagree with your comments. Many times.

If you haven't taken my advise and looked back at my previous comments, then you are ill-informed.
You always ask people to be honest with you and themselves in your comments, but you never believe them when they tell you the truth. I am not adverse to change at all, just adverse to bad art. Not that you have asked me for my opinion, yet. More advise, stop jumping to conclusions. My turn to be quoted, now,
"I don't take rude people seriously, not even if they are rallying for a side I agree with. I think they are ignorant and should be ignored."

I don't always ignore them, as you have been seeing lately. Sometimes, they are rude to others, and so insufferable that I don't feel I can stand by and watch, despite how I may have ignored them had it been only me.
Koolerkid 7th Jun 2011, 3:37 PM edit delete reply
That post just above this one is mine; sorry, forgot to add my name *embarrassedface*
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 3:41 PM edit delete reply
@Koolerkid

Hey, man, no problem. We got the message. :)
Muchacho NL 7th Jun 2011, 3:45 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
Again, Ranter: You're making up accusations that aren't there...
YOU are jumping to conclusions that makes me say you're a liar.
All I'm saying is when you want the old art back... just say so.
Don't tell someone he's IMPROVING while he's just downscaling and adjusting.
Like others said: his art is amazing to begin with, it's insulting to an artist to say sketchy drawings match the characters more... it just doesn't.
As for your truths... they're very personal... closely bordered to just personal opinions rather than verifiable facts (which a truth basically is).
Still it's funny though that you keep reading over some of my comments and keep clinging to your opinion that I said something completely different.
But hey, I'm not gonna fret about that... just proves my point that you're narrow-minded.

BTW: give me ONE profane sentence or word I typed, please... I beg of you. (Not included "bitching" since that's a very often used word around the world that doesn't even fall into profanity anymore... unless you're Amish).

That'll be all, I'll ignore the "right back at you" remarks about me having to grow up or not... I stand above that.

As for being rude... yes: I've been mostly being misinterpreted as rude.
Does that make me HAVE to baby up my posts, and does that HAVE to make me write 5 elaborate sentences on how wonderful I think someone is doing, BUT I do not agree with that?
No, it does not.
What you consider rude... I consider as being direct, open, and honest.
Probably something you could learn from.

Fine, consider me as an asshole... I don't lose a minute of sleep over it, but take your own advice, and stop ignoring me then, if you think I'm so ignorant.
If you keep replying, you're as hypocritical as you say I am.

As for a qoute... again: "Without change we would still be the club swinging Neanderthals we were a million years ago. "
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 3:52 PM edit delete reply
@Muchacho

Then watch your words.
Muchacho NL 7th Jun 2011, 4:03 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
All I gotta say is that I'm sorry that you guys had to get to know this part of me before you got to know the fun-loving part of me...
That usually helps for people to swallow my rants and actually hold value to it.
(Most of my personal friends like me BECAUSE I'm so direct, honest and open)

As for the figures... yes, they were just as made up as yours, but they're a lot closer to the actual figures than you think.
Life isn't as black and white as you're suggesting: Either love the new art or hate it.
Morgenstern will NOT lose 50% of his readers if he keeps the art of #80, and he will NOT piss off the other 50% if he changes back.

If you still believe he will, then we're done with this argument, or elaborate discussion... then I've got nothing left to say to you, and will brush off anything like you said before as narrow-minded and *drum-roll* ignorant, and shall ignore you.

I probably will be better at it than you, I suppose. ;)
Therazan 7th Jun 2011, 5:01 PM edit delete reply
Therazan
The original Luigi's Mansion is too young for a remake... But i wish Gamecube game were downloadable like the 64...
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 5:15 PM edit delete reply
As a matter of fact, I don't want Morgenstern to draw again, although it's true that, before this page, I used to. I happen to like this newest page; its cartoon look is aesthetically pleasing, filled with action, and it has a good amount of grit. All without, in my opinion, copying Morgenstern's art. There are some things...the look of Martello in the background is disproportionate and obviously the most directly based part of Morgenstern's look...but those are actually my least favorite things about the page.

I'm not even sure if you know what being narrow-minded entails...but it happens often that what you mean to say comes across as something else. I'm fairly certain that I've already explained my own intentions in my comments a few times, meanwhile, you've yet to clarify *your*self.

I think I'll use both the words "sucky" and "bitching" as proof of profanity. Neither would probably be so bad alone, but together in a single comment, they really pack a punch in the face. And for your information, I'm not Amish, an I would never say or write "bitching" outside of quotation. It may have used to mean something else, but it's become a curse-word, and it has been ever since.

You don't have to "baby" your posts to make yourself sound like an adult, you just have to make your posts without digressing to question a person's manhood, among other things. You don't have to lie about you opinion, I don't know that ANYONE is; you can be direct, open, and honest, in fact that's encouraged!
But you were NOT being those things. There was a distinct difference between what you said and what you meant. Maybe you meant to be that way, but that is not how it came out. It came out rudely. There is a distinct difference that not only I have tried to show you.

Now, I'll tell you something I did like that you said--it was that post to pinstripe:

"We have the PRIVILEGE of witnessing this web-comic.
We have the PRIVILEGE to keep reading, or leaving.
We have the PRIVILEGE of being able to comment upon this strip."

But, that was as far as you went to saying anything enlightening.
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 5:16 PM edit delete reply

I don't think you're an a-hole, you just come across as really dumb when you say the things I've pointed out already. When you don't listen to me when I say that I don't mind change, or that I basically like Ob's art; that I can see your side of the argument. (and I can quote myself, there) When you close your ears and eyes and maintain that I'm just "all high and mighty" or "one of the people who were booing and hissing" and then call me narrow-minded,you do come across as ignorant. I've never used that word so often in my life, but it perfectly describes you the way you've let yourself be known.

I don't care if you lose sleep. I don't want to hurt you--I just want you to learn to choose your words carefully because I think you could really have a lot to say if you sounded like you were worth listening to.

You gave me free range to reply to you when you challenged Bonz0 to tell him "what parts of [your] message are 'stupid'."

We need to get to know the raging, naive, and childish part of you? Got it. Even though I'm pretty sure I've already told you how little weight I give what you say when you show that part of you...
No one suggested that you either "love the art or hate it." Everyone has a favorite page or type of art and like it for different reasons...will act on those feelings in different ways...
I wouldn't give a statistic that wasn't true, like you did, "50-50" is only a figure of speech and rough estimate. I'm not a new poster, I'm an experienced one under a different name, which, being in the middle of the riots, where you only observed, I think I can be trusted, pretty well, when I say that people will be angry and try hard to have their way, as long as Morgenstern gives them hope that they might get it. This was something I wrote before the argument with Muchacho started.

I also said, "I don't always ignore them, as you have been seeing lately. Sometimes, they are rude to others, and so insufferable that I don't feel I can stand by and watch, despite how I may have ignored them had it been only me. "
Al 7th Jun 2011, 5:41 PM edit delete reply
Crying foul and acting wounded adds little to the discussion, can we move on and focus on how awesome the comics is?
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
yes, it is awesome.
Muchacho NL 7th Jun 2011, 6:18 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
It is indeed.
I'll await next strip to see what Morgenstern and Obfuscobble has in store for us.
Hopefully the detailed art was to put an emphasis on the characters who are in the foreground of the action, so that we're not being fully deprived of it.

Noticed where in the last frame Palma and Go are still quite detailed but Martello and McCoy aren't... while in comic #80 they were all highly detailed?

@Ranter: "We need to get to know the raging, naive, and childish part of you? Got it"
No, you didn't get it, but that's OK... I'll stop now... I've made my point... no matter how few will see it.
Bonz0 7th Jun 2011, 6:20 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
It isn't that I think Luigi's Mansion is old enough for a remake. I just couldn't imagine how they could make a sequel to the first one. It's such a specific premise for a game. I'm still rather curious as to how the plot will play out this time around. I didn't see any Boos or "gallery ghosts". Just a bunch of random mooks being assholes to Luigi again. At least the enemies are all new. That almost NEVER happens in Mario games of any sort.

I have to say though...all of the new Nintendo games look kinda plain. From what we've seen so far, at least. We didn't see any new characters in Luigi's Mansion. Paper Mario 3D just looks like a direct sequel to the first one. The setting isn't really that unique when compared to Rogueport or...whatever they had in Super Paper Mario. No partners seen. No characters seen. No new enemies seen. The combat looked pretty cool, though, and they're still doing some cool paper tricks with the overworld it seems.

Super Mario looks cool. I like what they're doing with the camera angles and how they've incorporated elements from past Mario games. Too bad the plot looks just like every other Mario game. Bowser takes shit over. Except it won't be as epic this time.

You can fly and swim around in Mario Kart. And customize your kart! That is, choose from a base, wheels and accessory. Cool, but underwhelming.

I never thought I'd see the day when ANIMAL CROSSING, of all things, was the one nintendo game with most improvement and innovation. Although it's not that hard when you consider the fact that City Folk was basically a port of Wild World.

@Muchacho
Martello and McCoy aren't as detailed because they're in the background. You know, that thing behind the foreground? Which is where Palma and Go are?
Pinstripe 7th Jun 2011, 6:25 PM edit delete reply
Hey, remember when I said "let's not make this personal"? Yeah, why don't we stick to that plan? Seriously, this is barely about the comic anymore - you two are just shouting at each other.
Ranter 7th Jun 2011, 6:28 PM edit delete reply
@Muchacho

I sorry I said that. I do get where you're coming from, I just think your wording was the wrong way to go, though I understand why you chose it.
I treated you in a way that no one deserves to be treated...but I've eaten lunch, I took a minute to cool down, and I'm sorry.
Will you accept my apology and truce?
Muchacho NL 7th Jun 2011, 6:28 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
Bonz0: That's what I've been saying.
I don't mind if he keeps drawing like this: Important characters detailed, backgrounders not.
But I got the feeling that you wanted them ALL not detailed... so like Martello and McCoy in this last panel.

So now that I actually get your point: I'm sorry for mistaking your opinion as to want it all as much as Morgenstern drew it.
Mr. Vareel 7th Jun 2011, 6:36 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
D:
Λnd I thought I made long posts... (I can’t believe I just used an emoticon.)

@Bonz0 & @Therazan: Wait, what? There's a sequel to Luigi's Mansion coming out? On the 3DS? ΛND I DIDN'T KNOW ΛBOUT IT!? (I have got to get out more.)

By the way, I just lost The Game!
Bonz0 7th Jun 2011, 6:44 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Ummm....you know E3 was today, right Mr. Vareel? You might want to go look up the Wii U as well.
Evdog 7th Jun 2011, 11:12 PM edit delete reply
Evdog
I used to love Nintendo like it was a member of the family. Now I realise that it is (or has become, maybe?) just a big company that, like all other companies, wants to take my money. As such, I'm looking at E3 this year with a much less subjective stance:

Wii u: Looks like the Wii, but shinier. The controller looks like Nintendo's attempt to make an iPad (and more money). I'll wait for it to drop to half price.

Luigi's Mansion 2: Seems pretty good. I'll most likely buy it, but I'll wait for the reception, though.

Super Mario 3DS: An excuse to re-hash our childhood memories of the original Super Mario Bros. for the ???th time.

Skyward Sword: Looks good. I just hope it is, after Twilight Princess and Spirit Tracks proved to be a disappointment (Nintendo's hype made them seem like the best games of all time).

Mario & Sonic London 2012 Games: No. No! NO! Go back to Hell, and take your retarded brothers, "Beijing 2008" and "Vancouver 2010", with you!

Halo 4: They said they weren't going to do it, but we all knew they would.

Final Fantasy XIII-2: Another one?! It's yet another sequel of a sequel of a sequel of a sequel of a sequel of a...

Mario Kart 3DS: Pretty much the same, except that it should be called Mario Multi-Purpose Vehicle...3DS.

Kirby Wii: It's Subspace Emmisary (from Brawl), excluding everyone outside the Kirby franchise.

Paper Mario 3DS: I've been waiting for this game for YEARS! I'll still wait for the reception, though.

@Pinstripe: ...but where's the fun in that? :D
Haya 7th Jun 2011, 11:32 PM edit delete reply
Haya
@Evdog
I'm not sure you've realised this, and I mean no insult I didn't at first either. The WiiU is a whole new console and not just the game pad that they were showing.

I agree with you that nintendo seem to have been caring more about business than their long time fans for a while now, despite being the ones that are the fisty in with the new cool tech. Still there are a lot of games directed at their fans this year, maybe this means they've started caring about us again.
Oarboar 8th Jun 2011, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
I still like Morgenstern's art and would like to see it back, but I have to say Obfuscobble is improving.

Let's see how this all shakes out, particularly after some folks have wandered off to the next shiny thing.
Rage-Nakasa 8th Jun 2011, 3:09 AM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
I read all that was said and stuff.. and I just wonder.. what do Morgenstern and Obfuscobble think of it. I would really like to know there thoughts on all the argument that has happened and stuff.

also, I am glad that it.. At this moment, seems to be done with.
I_am_Solid_Snaek 8th Jun 2011, 7:27 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
Aah... so, uh... no more unessecary flame wars? We're reading a great webcomic, but you guys are just going way over the edge here...
Steve 8th Jun 2011, 8:22 AM edit delete reply
HI!!!:P
Asher 8th Jun 2011, 8:26 AM edit delete reply
I haven't been here for three months so fil me in no I'm just yanking your chain
Not Steve 8th Jun 2011, 9:08 AM edit delete reply
shut up steve...and from now on ANYONE that goes on an insane rant for any reason will be considered trolls and will be punshed to the fullest extent of the law. Seriously it is all completley pointless to argue with each other. i honestly dont expect that anyone will pay attention to this because they like arguing but if it matters all you ranting about the art style are acting like first graders.
DemonBlood 8th Jun 2011, 9:49 AM edit delete reply
God, I'm not looking for a day and you guys unleash hell at each other.
Without aiming to insult anyone, do you have a life outside of the internet? Doesn't seem like it to me. I mean, cool down it is only a webcomic, and it's not like it is your work beeing yelled at.
If someones getting mad it should be Morgenstern.
DemonBlood 8th Jun 2011, 9:51 AM edit delete reply
Or Obfuscobble.
Ranter 8th Jun 2011, 10:59 AM edit delete reply
I Fell Into A Burning Ring Of Fire
I Went Down, Down, Down
And The Flames Went Higher
And It Burns, Burns, Burns
The Ring Of Fire
The Ring Of Fire
Ranter 8th Jun 2011, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
Naturally, I was referring to Go's ring of fire in the comic, not myself and Muchacho. ;D
Muchacho NL 8th Jun 2011, 2:42 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
ROFL, Ranter.
That first post actually made me chuckle, but the last on just put a big grin on my face. :D
CandyCoon 8th Jun 2011, 4:39 PM edit delete reply
Whoa is it over? The flame war that is. It went on for a while but it seems to have come to a pretty peacful end, it's a wonder what a bit of humility and an apology can do, I'm glad. It seems like things are looking up :)

Did Go always have that belt buckle, or is it a temporary powered up thing? It's pretty cool either way.
I wonder, will we see other power ups like ice flowers or those super star things?

On another note, McCoy's looking awesome as ever ^_^
The Good Wario 8th Jun 2011, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
Steve, both of you, flame war on the fourms, this is riddicous
Morgenstern 8th Jun 2011, 6:42 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
Deleted some Steves.
NotJoe 8th Jun 2011, 7:05 PM edit delete reply
NotJoe
Holy moly. I leave for two days and the comment section goes right down the drain. WHERE'S THE LOVE, GUYS?
Asher 8th Jun 2011, 7:09 PM edit delete reply
Where is the love in black eyed peas
Asher 8th Jun 2011, 7:14 PM edit delete reply
The song
Steve 8th Jun 2011, 7:26 PM edit delete reply
The Imposter was caught and got grounded for a year
Asher 8th Jun 2011, 7:34 PM edit delete reply
It was evie
Evdog 8th Jun 2011, 8:04 PM edit delete reply
Evdog
@Not Steve: Yeah, that's right.

The Criminal Law Act 1967, Part II, Section 13, Subsection 1, Clause 1 explicitly states that all persons found to be causing inflammatory comments, challenging to fight, common scolding or trolling, will be liable for prosecution and may face imprisonment for up to a maximum of 25 years.

So don't any of you dare even think about trollin'.
Muchacho NL 8th Jun 2011, 8:42 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
Good thing that Law Act only applies to British and Welsh citizens :p
Glados's Comic Cube 8th Jun 2011, 9:15 PM edit delete reply
Sorry about this, but i still dont like this style. at all. it dosn't fit the comic.sorry

BUT! i think it fits well as the BOMBOBs pont of view. since, they really arnt ...like the rest of...mario characters... this could fit as what they see. If this style continues, i suggest that this be ended at the end of the bombobs involment. already, i can see you have lost MANY,MANY fans and this style has done TERRIBLE,TERRIBLE DAMAGE. if you really want your fans back, at least add an alernate style that goes along with this, so you can keep fans of all styles.

Im really sorry to say this, but if this style is really keeping me away. i hoped that, this nember would return it to normal, but i was dissapointed.

IM BEGGING! PLEASE RETURN YOUR OLD STYLE! I WILL MISS THIS COOMIC, NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE MORE!

that will be all. The enrichment Center wishes you a nice day
Muchacho NL 8th Jun 2011, 9:45 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
Sure, keep pulling a guild trip on Morg.
That'll help... not.

If you're a true fan, you'll stick to the comic, no matter what happens. :)
NotJoe 8th Jun 2011, 10:35 PM edit delete reply
NotJoe
How does a cube type?
Pinstripe 9th Jun 2011, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
So far Madness has left. That's it. I've seen more new people join than old people leave. I mean, come on, disagree with the new art if you'd like, but don't take yourself hostage in front of Morgenstern. "I'll stop reading! I swear to God, I'll really do it!"
Grimlock13 9th Jun 2011, 12:47 AM edit delete reply
As if anyone would be able to stop reading this for more than one week.
Haya 9th Jun 2011, 1:48 AM edit delete reply
Haya
@Grimlock13

Here! Here!
DemonBlood 9th Jun 2011, 2:24 AM edit delete reply
@NotJoe: Very badly as you can see.
I mean, look at that spelling, HOLY FUCK!!!
Drama never works as good as it should if you suck at spelling words correctly.
I think morgenstern is more likely to have a good laugh than to be guilt-triped by THIS.
Evdog 9th Jun 2011, 4:28 AM edit delete reply
Evdog
@NotJoe: Like this.
image
*tak tak tak*
GlaDos's Comic Core 9th Jun 2011, 6:21 AM edit delete reply
so sad wheatly had to do thid to them

ill i have seen on these post are the SAME EXACT PEOPLE post over and over. on the older one's i see MANY diffrent people, some who hadnt posted before. sure, some people have come back, but compare that to a the people who hated when it came out and then never posted again...

I say you lost many people.

sadly, i cant stop coming back and hoping that the style will revert.

Also, why is palma fighting now? i mean, did the characters change when the style did?

so so sorry Frankenturret.
??? 9th Jun 2011, 6:44 AM edit delete reply
It's Palma VS. The incredible Hulk. Just look at her now! And she is taking to her new role.Why:(
Asher 9th Jun 2011, 8:00 AM edit delete reply
Palma was very brave
Glados's comic probe 9th Jun 2011, 8:04 AM edit delete reply
Portal was a good game
Asher 9th Jun 2011, 8:08 AM edit delete reply
I know portal was a good game
DemonBlood 9th Jun 2011, 8:19 AM edit delete reply
Why are there still people bitching? I thought we were over that!
I_am_Solid_Snaek 9th Jun 2011, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
So... where's Aikidoka? I miss his hilarious comments...
I_am_Solid_Snaek 9th Jun 2011, 8:47 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
@ Muchacho NL;
Doesn't matter who it aplies to, you just gotta use common courtesy.
Asher 9th Jun 2011, 9:52 AM edit delete reply
Glodos's singing was good as much as her jokes
BlueMario 9th Jun 2011, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
I've noticed that about an even amout of comments are of the comic and (the other side) of other things.
OH NOES! I've ruined the sides!
Quickly! Someone comment on the comic!
Morgenstern 9th Jun 2011, 3:46 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
I'm typing from my laptop at A-kon, so short response is short.

Subs and hits are both up, and this is not fewer commenters than normal. Not by a long shot.

And this is, yes, the same Palma that attempted to rip Thrive's heart out with her bare hands. Let's try not to make up new problems please
GlaDos's Comic Core 9th Jun 2011, 4:32 PM edit delete reply
DONT STEAL MTY NAME!

anyway, that was the only thing that palma ever really did. not SMASH THROUGH THE GLASS OF A BOMBOMB BOT!

and that really wasnt "ripping" thrive heart out. I saw itas i "scarifice me for good" as she was the only one who knew where his heart was. but your the writer so ill take your word for it.

still, what is the point of mccoy then? was he not sopposed to be the main fighter? i mean, Even with thrive he beat him up before palma did.

And still HUGE HANDS! She may be the same as you meant here, but you have to admit

She looks like the Incrediple Hulk while sick.

Thank you for your time. Aperture Sxience enrichment center also aplologizes for the franken turrets
Glados's Comic Core 9th Jun 2011, 4:34 PM edit delete reply
@ i_am_Solid_Snaek

He was probaly one of the peolpe who left
GlaDos's Comic Core 9th Jun 2011, 4:48 PM edit delete reply
Horrible thought here. Speaking of thrive What happens when he returns to this comic, in this style


I only forsee bad bad flame wars.

Worse then the one i am coninuing.

Glados is coming, have to hid. Mabey ill see in the next comic
Asher 9th Jun 2011, 4:51 PM edit delete reply
The cake wasn't a lie
Morgenstern 9th Jun 2011, 4:56 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
Obfuscobble's doing the art from here on out.

And I don't really care how much I get flamed for it. This has started to get a little silly, on both sides.
Bonz0 9th Jun 2011, 5:26 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Lets be logical here. Subscribers and hits are up because of the controversy. People created accounts so their input would not be lost in the flood of Anonymous comments. Pretending otherwise would be pretty silly in and of itself.

I am glad I pulled myself from the argument before things reached this ridiculous level, though.
Remix 9th Jun 2011, 6:01 PM edit delete reply
Why is Mccoy's hand in his pants? o_o
Arrakis 9th Jun 2011, 6:25 PM edit delete reply
And now, closure.

It's going to be interesting to see how this turns out.
NotJoe 9th Jun 2011, 6:27 PM edit delete reply
NotJoe
McCoy's hand is in his pants because that's where it always is.

@Morgenstern: Thank you for being a man there.
DancesWithChihuahuas 9th Jun 2011, 9:15 PM edit delete reply
Way to go Morg! Like I said I was with you either way, but I'll continue to fully support the comic - after all, it was the content AND the art, and not just one or the other, that hooked me.

You're an awesome webcomic-ist (is that a word?) Morgenstern and this comic has the potential to go places. Continue kicking some serious butt!
GlaDos 9th Jun 2011, 9:17 PM edit delete reply
You will never truly know now.

Congradulations. You have lost a fan.

Possible alot of them.

Good Job losing them hero.

Primary Core systmes shutting down.

Goodbye........................
DancesWithChihuahuas 9th Jun 2011, 9:20 PM edit delete reply
Oh stop with the drama already. Either read the comic or don't.
Pinstripe 9th Jun 2011, 10:13 PM edit delete reply
God, what an asshole.
Grimlock13 9th Jun 2011, 10:36 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
He'll return, they always do. It won't be tomorrow, in a week or in a month, but there will be a time where he will ask himself: "Did it change? I wonder what it look like now?". His curiosity will push him to visit at least once in a while.
DemonBlood 10th Jun 2011, 3:03 AM edit delete reply
GlaDos, you suck at spelling.
This way people don't take you seriously, they laugh at you.
Haya 10th Jun 2011, 3:35 AM edit delete reply
Haya
@ DemonBlood

Actually I think it's mostly the way he's trying (and failing) to pretend to be GLaDOS. As if by doing so he could force Morgestern to do what he wants him to.
DemonBlood 10th Jun 2011, 5:14 AM edit delete reply
@Haya

Maybe, but I will still keep laughing, simply because it's fun.
Not Steve 10th Jun 2011, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
hopefully with the final desicion of the writer there wont be any more flame wars. i will continue reading this to the end that hopefully will never come.
@GlaDos ha, you think you know what your talking about.
Hoshi 10th Jun 2011, 10:26 AM edit delete reply
I'm back, and frankly... The art's starting to grow on me. It's starting to be a good mix between what we knew, and something a bit cleaner.

I'll miss the old art, I'm not going to lie. But it's like reading the archives of Least I Could Do and watching the art evolution.

Things march on, and I'll always wanna know what the kick ass storyline will become. And I wanna see more Haze x Guy jokes. But that's the yaoi fangirl in me.
Hobojoe007 10th Jun 2011, 10:28 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
Hey, as long as the artwork doesn't go back to how it was in 79 or 80, I'll be fine. I can live with this, and I know it will get better. So back to that question I've had... If the workload for the comic is between two people rather than just one, then wont the comic be able to update more often than once a week, just wondering...
OneOfTheNamelessRabble 10th Jun 2011, 12:35 PM edit delete reply
Understand this comment is being made WITHOUT looking at ALL the comments. Good for you Morgenstern! You stayed for a year! Obfuscobble, you have done a good job of tailoring your art to the fans needs. People still arguing, how about you do as most of the fanbase and sit and watch.
OneOfTheNamelesRabble 10th Jun 2011, 12:37 PM edit delete reply
(Con't) That is why most of those posters from the other comic have not posted. They said their bit and now they want to read. As for the flame wars, good to see you put those to rest. Now lets grab some popcorn and see how this plays out. That mech was hilariously forceable. :P
Alt 10th Jun 2011, 4:26 PM edit delete reply
Does Go have a boner in the first frame?
Pinstripe 10th Jun 2011, 10:57 PM edit delete reply
I'm glad to know we can put aside our petty differences and discuss more important things, such as Go's dick.
NotJoe 10th Jun 2011, 11:30 PM edit delete reply
NotJoe
Go gets 'excited' during battle. There's nothing wrong with that.
Mr Pibbleton 11th Jun 2011, 12:39 AM edit delete reply
Mr Pibbleton
"I'm glad to know we can put aside our petty differences and discuss more important things, such as Go's dick." Are we not all brothers and sisters hand in hand when in comes to discussing fungus men's genitals?
tutter 11th Jun 2011, 1:19 AM edit delete reply
tutter
You know, I must agree his crotch area seems a bit too... sharp. And not just in this comic, but the one before this as well. The shading and thick black lines make it... pop out too much. I am trying not to laugh and wake up everyone in the house right now.

Hopefully I can go back to just reading soon after this other then jumping into funny comments or laying down a bit of wit. Good job Morgenstern. Good job Obfuscobble. Credits at the bottom need to be changed again to (And from said date, art by Obfuscobble). You know what's worse... I just realized his name is in the credits section and I couldn't bother to tilt my eyes far enough down to read it.... Alright.

Going to remind people who are complaining of Palma's strength that she is a Pianta, and they could throw Mario across the screen in Sunshine.

@Evdog: Thank you for highlighting e3. Exactly what I expected which is why I didn't bother going out of my lazy and empty schedule to actually open the computer and search up the news of e3.

All right, from now on, no more comments that make the scroll bar smaller then go's crotch.
tutter 11th Jun 2011, 1:25 AM edit delete reply
tutter
... wait a second. Go up to the second to last post he made. subs and hits are up... MY CHEESE! This is exactly what he wanted! His ultimate plan has been achieved and we have fallen into the trap. Well played you smugly smiling mask-less shy guy. Well played.
Guest 11th Jun 2011, 2:00 AM edit delete reply
Hey I don't know if anyone asked or cared but is obfoscoffle the artist from the ustream of this comic(the guy who made a picture of mcoy). Just curious
tutter 11th Jun 2011, 2:08 AM edit delete reply
tutter
... I haven't seen the ustream, but if the picture looks like the mccoy in these latest comics... then probably. If one of the earlier, then it was probably Morgenstern. If neither, then i have no idea what you're talking 'bout
I_am_Solid_Snaek 11th Jun 2011, 10:37 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
Including GlaDos, this comic has lost an estimated total of 1 fan.

I'm glad this whole art war thing's over, unless some idjit tries to start one again. I'll keep reading regardless of who does the art. It's just too great to just quit.

@ Glados's comic core: Aikidoka stated that he'd keep reading,so... whatever. Please learn how to spell, by the way.
I_am_Solid_Snaek 11th Jun 2011, 10:37 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
Including GlaDos, this comic has lost an estimated total of 1 fan.

I'm glad this whole art war thing's over, unless some idjit tries to start one again. I'll keep reading regardless of who does the art. It's just too great to just quit.

@ Glados's comic core: Aikidoka stated that he'd keep reading,so... whatever. Please learn how to spell, by the way.
Knoppe 11th Jun 2011, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
I'm gonna miss your old style
FuzzyZergling 11th Jun 2011, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
@Alt: Go is too much MAN for pants.
DeadApple 11th Jun 2011, 1:02 PM edit delete reply
DeadApple
Your doing a wonderful job Morgenstern...
I don't think that's said enough lately


Your doing really good yourself Obfuscobble, thank you for actually taking the time to listen to us, and even changing a comic to meet to our demands.

infinity6 11th Jun 2011, 1:16 PM edit delete reply
so...many...comments...scroll bar...so small...
Whistle-tall 11th Jun 2011, 1:20 PM edit delete reply
Dear lord, what has become of us? Why are so many people against this! True, I'm not 100% for it, but change is unavoidable. In all honesty, I think the new style will wind up being a change for the better.
Also, if you disagree, just stop reading! It's truly the only effective course of action in this scenario. What does complaining do? Nothing.
In closing, Happy anniversary Morgenstern. You are awesomeness.
Whistle-tall 11th Jun 2011, 1:22 PM edit delete reply
@DeadApple Ditto. I love the picture, by the way.
Aikidoka 11th Jun 2011, 1:51 PM edit delete reply
Aikidoka
@Solid Snaek

I assure you, I have not stopped reading the comic. In fact since the art is becoming more like the art I've come to know and love, I am rather enjoying it. As for where have I been, I've been moving to a new house and was rendered internetless for a while. But I'm back now, and I'm sure Miyamoto will comment soon too. As soon as he tracks down my new house, that stalking perv....
I_am_Solid_Snaek 11th Jun 2011, 5:26 PM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
Aikidoka: I KNEW IT! I sound kinda creepy, but your comments are one of the multitudes of reasons I check the site so often.

Oh, right, if anybody was wondering about its strangeness, my avatar is by another webcomic artist (and normal artist, too!) called Hiimdaisy. Look 'em up. The dude on my avatar is not actually Solid Snake! It's Solidus!
I_am_Solid_Snaek 11th Jun 2011, 5:30 PM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
Let it be noted that Hiimdaisy didn't make the avatar for me...

It's from the "Let's Destroy Metal Gear: Again!" comics.