80. Everybody, almost
Posted on 28th May 2011, 10:56 PM in 4. Bob-omb Battlefield

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Morgenstern 28th May 2011, 10:56 PM edit delete
Morgenstern
Well, now that the longest week of my life is over

I give it a few hours or so before I give some grand, sweeping speech about my gratitude for everyone's support/my reflection on just how dedicated and caring my fanbase is/my newfound appreciation for how much the style of drawing is a part of this comic/how I should not try to surprise people anymore.

In the meantime... well, here you go. I imagine I'll be at the art helm of next week's comic, given the extremely vocal response to last week's; barring some massive change of heart regarding the separate artist issue, I'd say this experiment's results have been pretty definitive.

Well, at least we can say we tried.

And assuming no minds are changed, Obfuscobble and I will probably be collaborating on some separate project somewhere down the road (probably a more original work, but who knooows); I've discovered that working with an artist is extremely fun, even if it's not the most appropriate thing to do for this comic.

(Don't tell anybody, but I actually kind of liked the ugly Goombas)

Morgenstern 28th May 2011, 11:11 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
And for those that asked, I live in the Central time zone.


So this is not late by an hour. YEAH BABY
CMP 28th May 2011, 11:23 PM edit delete reply
Oh man, all the other characters look nice but Palma... She just looks kinda manly. Which I can understand sorta since she's a Pianta and they're suppose to be a bit big but that's a bit of a step in the wrong direction. Also the decision to show even a bit of Guy's face doesn't seem like the best.

Even with that, if the comic continued in this style I wouldn't mind.
Sman X 28th May 2011, 11:24 PM edit delete reply
Sman X
Ok, I withheld judgement on the comic last week to let it sink in. This seems like a nice medium between the two and something I can get behind (the other wasn't bad jsut different and sudden.) If this is still Obfuscobble's work, then I can see this working.
RavenUp 28th May 2011, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
RavenUp
Thanx Morgenstern for the timezone clearup
Hobojoe 28th May 2011, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
Okay, that is much better, Martello looks WAY better (although she seems to have lost her boobies and gaine pecs), I miss the straight up raven face McCoy used to have but he still looks cool. Go Looks AMAZING! And Guy looks very normal. BUT my attraction towards Palma has declined very much so after seeing this, I can't stand how fat she looks, and stuff. To me there is such thing as TOO much Junk. I have to say I like this MUCH better and I support you two working together, but Palma needs to be a lot thinner, otherwise were gonna have problems... GO IS AWESOME TO.THE MAX TIMES 4! :P
Yoshi 28th May 2011, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
I actually like it. :O The most drastic-looking changes to me are Mccoy and Palma. And GUY'S FACE OMGWTFJKASUDOUJDNV.
RavenUp 28th May 2011, 11:29 PM edit delete reply
RavenUp
Ok so I like the way Go and Martello look and McCoy isnt bad and the bob-omb looks great but i think Palma is to manly and Guys face has been saved
Guest 28th May 2011, 11:31 PM edit delete reply
Can't stand Palma being fat and manly, and her face is, yuck...
I also miss McCoy's face but the new one could grow on me...other than that this is PERFECT
Morgenstern 28th May 2011, 11:32 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
I don't know what you guys are talking about with all this Guy's face stuff



(strip management options don't fail me now)
The Vicar 28th May 2011, 11:34 PM edit delete reply
It's better than the previous one -- but I'm really glad you say you'll be drawing the strip yourself again. The more realistic style just Does Not Work for ravens, for one thing. McCoy looks as much like he's made of polluted water sloshing around as he looks like he's covered with feathers.
Guest 28th May 2011, 11:35 PM edit delete reply
@morgenstern I c what you did there
RavenUp 28th May 2011, 11:36 PM edit delete reply
RavenUp
@The Vicar
well to be fair even in the games ravnes dont look like they have feathers
CMP 28th May 2011, 11:38 PM edit delete reply
Anyone else notice Go is wearing a bandana?
RavenUp 28th May 2011, 11:39 PM edit delete reply
RavenUp
@CMP
ya i just saw that
Morgenstern 28th May 2011, 11:41 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
It was really supposed to be a bandanna in the first place, I just kinda suck at drawing bandannas.
Starcat5 28th May 2011, 11:42 PM edit delete reply
Starcat5
Ok, now if THIS had been our first exposure to the new artist, last week's comic wouldn't have been NEARLY as hot a flame war as it was. Lets run it down.

1) The bob-omb isn't as mecha as before.
2) The icons are back! Yay!
3) The cast is on model. Mind you,seeing Guy's eye behind his mask is both exhilarating and creepy as hell. I mean, GUY HAS A FACE! EEK! ^_^

Now, this was mentioned last week, but may have been lost: How feasible is it for you and Obfuscobble to alternate updates in order to keep this comic going twice a week?
Guest 28th May 2011, 11:43 PM edit delete reply
Hey Morgenstern, due to the fact that you are now only updating on Saturdays, will all updates be more than three pannels long now? Also I AK happy that we will continue to draw them yourself. but this was a lot better, but I think this palma may have scarred me for life.
Morgenstern 28th May 2011, 11:44 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
@Starcat5: I think alternating updates would probably look way too weird to people just finding the comic, as awesome as it would be in theory.

Also, there are times where I'm not sure I could plan two weeks ahead

@Guest: I'll certainly try to go back to the four+ panel model. And I'm still open to the idea of obfuscobble doing the artwork, if people are willing to tolerate it now that they've seen it a little more, uh, closer to home. Whatever people prefer and all that.
Guest 28th May 2011, 11:47 PM edit delete reply
*I AM happy that YOU will...* two bad typos in that last comment
Bonz0 28th May 2011, 11:48 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
I can tell obfuscobble put some effort into drawing McCoy less pretty and elegant. I commend him for that.

Unfortunately he still looks a bit too frilly in my opinion. Maybe it's the illusion of long hair. Maybe it's the lack of roundness of many of his features such as his head and beak.

Martello...well, yeah, I see what you were going for. Less girly and all that. Unfortunately she looks MUCH less visually appealing than both the version from last page and Morgenstern's version. Maybe it's the nose. Maybe it's those arms. Something about her arms just creeps me right the fuck out.

Go and Guy look ok. No complaints there. That's not to say I don't still prefer their original styles. They're just "meh", you know? Lacking that specific touch that Morganstern puts into his art that give his art some flavor/style/personality/etc.

It's not a fault on your behalf. It's just an effect that is extremely hard to produce when drawing characters and worlds that are not your own ideas.

As for that last creature...lets not talk about...it. Lets pretend it never came into existence.
Guest 28th May 2011, 11:49 PM edit delete reply
sorry about that, my phone is acting strange with comments
Lj_nick 28th May 2011, 11:49 PM edit delete reply
@Morgenstern I think some things still need to be fleshed out here but it's looking good. Another option you may want to try if this doesn't go over is Obfuscobble draw the backgrounds and you draw the characters or something like that.
Starcat5 28th May 2011, 11:54 PM edit delete reply
Starcat5
Joy. Went from second post to who knows HOW far down I am. Meh. Taking other people's comments into account, yes, I can see problems with Palma's build. That said, I am SO VERY MUCH digging her hair. Also, I just don't see the problem with McCoy's design. Very bird-like, but not as Bishi as the Fanart version.

Finally, did anyone save a copy of the origional version of this comic? I can't see Guy's face anymore... -_-¡
Evdog 28th May 2011, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
Evdog
My thoughts, frame by frame:

Frame 1: Awesome! They brought back the icons. And that Mecha Bob-omb is totally something I want to fight.

Frame 2: [same as Frame 1's, and] Is that just a depiction of movement, or did Martello just throw five hammers?!

Frame 3: Yes! Martello is not a sparkly princess anymore! McCoy is...different, but that's fine. I like it how he's just casually dodging the laser.

Frame 4: Um..."PALMA SMASH"!? They're both different from #78, but Go's fine the way he is.

Frame 5: . . .
Chat Lag Ate My Message 28th May 2011, 11:57 PM edit delete reply
Chat Lag Ate My Message
I must say that this is a lovely improvement, and a step in the right direction. My biggest issue is Palma's assets. They demand a little TOO much attention if you catch my drift. I think if you tone 'em down just a tad, they'll have the same effect without being so in your face. McCoy isn't quite what he was in your style, but he's pretty close. I can honestly say, I wouldn't mind this style keeping if you do decide to go this route. Would still prefer your style over all, but this isn't bad.
Captain Cupcake 29th May 2011, 12:02 AM edit delete reply
This is quite a bit better! I think Martello looks tons better. Like the others have said, Palma needs work, but all in all this really isn't bad. Much better than the first one. Looks much closer to your original visions, and honestly I think thats what we all really wanted. If you two decided to collaborate after this I would not be opposed to it, provided he could hammer out the small stuff (*cough*Palma*cough*)
Bonz0 29th May 2011, 12:02 AM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Yes, yes, we'd all be OK with this style, sure, but don't let Morgenstern know that! Accentuate the negative and he'll feel pressured to change back to his style!

...don't you guys know anything about cold-hearted manipulation?
Haya 29th May 2011, 12:05 AM edit delete reply
I think having obfuscobble doing the art is not a bad thing, but I also think two comics aren't enough to have his work at the right level to be pleasing all those who read it. Unfortunately what is quit probably the bane of those who create webcomics is that you have to do a lot more pleasing for your readers than someone who publicises their work elsewhere.

So I suppose some constructive criticism is in order. Right now I say Palma should be quite darastically different (those Boobs DX) and Martello should be a bit more effeminate. (is that irony considering last week?) Go's chin look weird and I say Guy's face being shown slightly is fine as long as you want it to be a running gag or if you do want to show it at some point but maybe less than it was.

Also Mccoy - if it is even possible - looks more badass than ever here.
Hobojoe007 29th May 2011, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
Yeah once I saw that monstrosity (Palma if you call it that) I was like, NO MORE! other than that, I could get used to this, although I am glad you WILL be drawing it again, because only you know how your characters are supposed to look,and I want the old mushroom go back
Lawelite 29th May 2011, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
Lawelite
YES THIS STYL, YES!!!

KEEP IT PLEASE!!

also, i quite like palma's boobs this way, they are very adequate :D
The Doodler 29th May 2011, 12:10 AM edit delete reply
The Doodler
Martello looks much cooler and more like herself now.
ExarArcian 29th May 2011, 12:11 AM edit delete reply
Well, I for one find this to be a HUGE improvement over the last one. This felt like Mushroom Go to me, and I could definitely find myself okay with this art. Is it perfect? No. I find myself agreeing about Palma (she doesn't look "fat" to me, just a little off... it might be the angle, though), but I'm sure stuff would smooth out over time. Excellent work Obfuscobble!
Guest 29th May 2011, 12:13 AM edit delete reply
I still have to say yours looks so much better. The first few panels were fine; I could barely tell they were Obfu's from looking at them. As soon as it came to characters, however, I was immediately turned off by the comic. This still doesn't seem like the crew of the chainless. I also agree entirely with bonz0's first post.
Madness 29th May 2011, 12:15 AM edit delete reply
Well, as others have said, this is better, but not so much better that I want any other artist but you. I'm so very HAPPY that Morgenstern will be drawing from now on!!! YIPPEE!
Professional Mole 29th May 2011, 12:16 AM edit delete reply
Oh boy... :|

Well, if the people want your style back, they'll get your style back. I enjoyed this. Felt like a guest week of sorts. I gotta say McCoy looks too realistic for a Raven, but then again... he looks like an actual raven, that's kinda awesome. :D

And Palma... yea. Bad pose, maybe, but this was not the happiest attempt at her. Pity, would love to see her in a better day. :P

Well, either way, the comic won't suffer much, I suppose. And I can always keep this in my bookmarks for later. :P
Evdog 29th May 2011, 12:16 AM edit delete reply
Evdog
@Haya: Since Martello is a pirate, it would make sense that she would be more masculine. Look through the past comics (excluding the flashbacks).
AJ 29th May 2011, 12:16 AM edit delete reply
Martello looks amazing in this style. McCoy's style could grow on me. Just was a surprise (a nice one though). Go looks awesome. Guy looks nice. Palma.....I'll just 2nd that comment earlier. PALMA SMASH!!! :P

Looking forward to more! :)
Hobojoe007 29th May 2011, 12:25 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
Lol well I have to third that PALMA SMASH! because the best.way to.describe the way she looks is like she has become the incredible hulk. Or she just ate a mushroom. But that face, oh GOD NO!
Hobojoe007 29th May 2011, 12:27 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
I just went back to #76 and got that disturbing image out of my head. If Obfu could draw palma like THAT this style would be tolerable. But my vote says go back to your style Morgenstern, and I totally dig the idea of you and obfuscobble working on something in the future, I would totally follow.that as much as I follow this and Brawl in the Family!
DeadApple 29th May 2011, 12:34 AM edit delete reply
DeadApple
Well, this acually is a wonderful improvement, I for one think if you two keep working together and just let it evolve you can make this into something good. You yourself did say you would be playing with the characters a bit, I think it wouldn't be such a bad idea working together to finish the current story arc.

After the ark is finished you can make the decision. It would just be weird constantly going back and forth between the art styles.

Haya 29th May 2011, 12:48 AM edit delete reply
@Evdog
What I'm saying is that she almost looks like a man to me. I think it's the lack of a bust but if this was the first time I'd seen that and someone told me she was a guy I'd believe them.
Cassiopia 29th May 2011, 12:55 AM edit delete reply
Cassiopia
Yay! Old art next week

Don't get me wrong. This is a massive improvement. I still vastly prefer your work, and Palma... needs major adjustments. Breasts do not work that way, and she doesn't appear to have elbows so you get a 4/5 from me
Fortis 29th May 2011, 1:10 AM edit delete reply
I can see that Obfuscobble has made an attempt to hold true to the original feel of the comic. And I'd say that it's succeeded for the most part. Good to see Martello back to the 'tough as nails' pirate captain. And McCoy definitely looks badass too, especially with his calm Matrix-esque dodge of the death ray. He just looks like nothing phases him, as when we saw him with the aftermath of the plant spiders. Go and Guy also look good. Gotta side with a few of the others on Palma. The leafy hair looks good, but the body seems a little off. Not sure what it is about it though. sorry.

Anyway, as I said before, whichever way you go, I'll go with it. I liked the old rugged look, but this is good too.
Me 29th May 2011, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
I'm actually beginning to like this new style, especially Go's new fire flower look, it looks a lot more developed and mature, like he's distinctly increased his skills since the last battle.

Criticism's i do have, pretty much everything that anyone on this post has said about palma, she looks way too masculine. Also, mccoy's hair/feathers irritate me due to the fact that they're so much smoother and well kempt, which kind of contrasts with his carefree personality.

By the way, where exactly is guy situated? He looks like he's inside a building.
Grimlock13 29th May 2011, 1:32 AM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
Awesome comic, and it look a lot more like yours. I wouldn't mind if it stayed that way pr return to the original. Either way is now completely fine with me.
Hobojoe007 29th May 2011, 1:34 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
Okay so I just read the entire series over again and I want you to continue drawing it Morgenstern, not just for Palma. I fell in love with your VERY unique style all over again. that is exactly what. this comic is, its distinctly unique, and this style just looks too generic still. So please return, I do care. Unique is the best way I can discribe Mushroon Go, its how I.described it to my friends and they fell in love with your unique art too.

(I may have just made the word Unique loose all meaning buy how I kind of abused it in this post)
Rage-Nakasa 29th May 2011, 1:43 AM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
I must say.. it's got that feel we love.. with a new look on this.. very interesting. I don't like palma's look though. a bit thinner could do her some good. Macoy is awesome lookin.. maybe a bit relistice.. but I can live with that. Love guy and Go's looks. I'm happy with it and I m must say. it's a good mix. I hope others are happy with this look too. *will check in the morning. is tired*
Darkgun 29th May 2011, 2:19 AM edit delete reply
Yay commenting! I do suspect that doing so will be beneficial in some way, ya know, showing that I exist and read the comic. Stuff like that. so here we go.

This week's comic totally trumps that of last week. There's been a considerable change in the feel of the characters, one that, based upon what was presented last week, is appreciated. I'm excited to hear that you and Obfuscobble might be working on a future project, as well, so that'd be some more content in this style to view.

Complements:
Most all of the character designs have a bit more edge and personality, and noting that in a webcomic quite a bit of character personality is depicted in one's style, that's an incredible step in the right direction.
The characters have dynamic poses. I know this is a conditional commendation, in all technicality, but I like dynamics.
Everything overall feels like the older pages from Mushroom Go, which is important if the artist is switching, which it no longer sounds like this is the case.

Critiques:
Palma. Palmapalmapalmapalma. I can understand giving her a little more weight, but several features, specifically her prominent chin and thicker forearms, and her block shaped nose give her this manly appearance that I don't suspect she would actually have. I assume these design choices were made to connect the stylings to the race of character she is based upon, but there are always points in which too much is not the best solution. Also, since it's worth mentioning, there's a certain... feature, that she seems to have a little too much of. Just a little bit.
With a massive step up in character design quality, the necessity to up the quality of the surroundings is also quite important. Here, though useful, the background either feels pasted in or thought of at the last moment. Incorporating the environment, even in a small way, and adding either more activity to the world around the characters can remedy this.
At this point, there seems to be a precarious balance (or possibly imbalance) between detailed character design and character design with the lack thereof. McCoy, who looks absolutely epic, by the way, has quite a bit of detail, shading, and depth, while the others, even the enemy "negotiator" seem to feel more limitations in the color or depth department.

But overall, this was a great looking page, and a great setup for what's going to happen next week! I'm already getting excited. Keep up the amazing work.
Darkgun 29th May 2011, 2:21 AM edit delete reply
May have gotten a bit carried away with my above comment....
Starcat5 29th May 2011, 3:03 AM edit delete reply
Starcat5
DeadApple: Where in Loki's name did you find an image of a Tomas The Tank Engin Transformer?!?
Jacquie H 29th May 2011, 3:19 AM edit delete reply
Wow, this is a HUGE improvement. These designs could actually grow on me: the characters seem to have the same feel to them as they used to have. They feel evolved, rather than just changed.

I imagine that adjustments would be made the longer you guys work on it. Personally, I like how Palma looks more like a pianta now, but she looks very aged to me. Wasn't she supposed to be younger?

I love the design of the other characters: Go looks awesome, and I'm absolutely in love with Palma's hair (the things I notice!)

Speaking of noticing things, I have no idea what people are talking about Guy. What am I missing?!
Becker 29th May 2011, 3:22 AM edit delete reply
Becker
Well, this art style is starting to grow on me... I normally don't do this, but there are a few things that could be changed for the better if Obfuscobble is going to be drawing the comic again, which I really hope happens because the style is starting to grow on me.

A few things *cough-Palma-cough* could be better, and less... endowed. Speaking fom experence, the leafband she's wearing wouldn't be able to ccompletely cover the bottom of her breasts. But I love how her hair looks more like leaves, and the fact you can see all the veins and shine in them. Her PALMA SMASH arms were the first thing I noticed when I saw that panel, and could definately be toned down. Also, I'm not sure what's going on with the underside of her left arm...

I love how Go's fire form turned out, and his outfit looks great too. I think he looks a lot slimmer in this style, and it looks good on him; maybe he's gotten in better shape from the constant fighting?

Martello's clothes look great, but her left arm is to bulky(has too much muscle)compared to her small hand. If her hand was a bit bigger, it would probably look fine.

McCoy... I... It looks like he has dreadlocks... On his arms too... I think it's intended to be feathers, but they're too rectangular to me. I love how he's just lazily dodging the lazer blast though :D

Guy has probably been changed the least. I think he looks great, and there's nothing off about him. He looks like he's put out because he didn't get the chance to jump into a cool action pose. That, or he dicided to be backup this round.

... This got really long, so sorry for that. I'm not trying to be mean, but I see how it can come across as that...ಥ⌣ಥ
Mumbo12 29th May 2011, 3:23 AM edit delete reply
Never posted before but I want to throw my two cents in. I pretty much didn't like anything about last week's comic. Been nervously anticipating this strip's supposed improvements.

I LOVE this comic. I'm no good at explaining why I like the things I do. Everything just feels more right. A few tweaks wouldn't hurt. Like others have said, Palma could use some minor adjustments but I'm bad with words so I can't exactly say what.

Anyway, wrapping this up. Last week I wanted nothing more than for things to go back to the way they were. Now, this new style has made my day. I'm here to stay no matter what, but I certainly wouldn't mind this being a permanent change.
justme 29th May 2011, 3:41 AM edit delete reply
Hi. Just wanted to say i'm really liking the comic so far, and I think the artwork's been steadily improving for the most part. Just a slight bit of (hopefully) constructive criticism though; to me Palma's face just looks a little like an old lady's in this one.
DemonBlood 29th May 2011, 4:38 AM edit delete reply
Yay, the icons are back!
I really, really like this! Martello looks like herself again, Gos fire-flower-look ROCKS and Mccoy works this way. I just have no idea were that scar on his beak came from, did he have that before?
And yes... Palma needs work.(WHAT THE FUCK?)
Aside from that, this style of drawing really fits for me. It's cartoony, but it's very badass cartoony, and that rocks.
Well Morgenstern, little surprises can be fun, but the comic last week as surprising as a brickwall that miraculously apears before me while I'm riding my bicicle down the street.
Please don't do that again.
DemonBlood 29th May 2011, 4:40 AM edit delete reply
"WAS as surprising"

I really always forget something.
Guest 29th May 2011, 5:36 AM edit delete reply
I like it. I like it a lot!

'Cept McCoy. For two reasons:
1: His thin waist and legs compared to his torso. Looks just wrong.
2: Feathers. The artist just can't draw feathers.

Also Palma, but I believe that's something that just needs more practice.
BrainShoes! 29th May 2011, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
BrainShoes!
I think McCoy is brilliant..
He looks like that tough skinny guy who is made up of lean muscle..

Palma makes me cringe a little though..
Guest 29th May 2011, 7:20 AM edit delete reply
Okay my opinions on "the looks"
Martello: WAY Bette than last weeks comic. I could live with
McCoy,looks less thsn the what i personally thought was an even mix of video game and . . . uh . . . Morgestern style.
Go: Nice....
Palma (i remembered her name this time): I must say that the eyes are of putting, they originally had some white but now the blue makes her look like she has no eyes
Guy: Di Morgestern draw that (translation: lokks much like the original, it's good!)
The Good Wario 29th May 2011, 7:24 AM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
the above guest comment is mine, i jjust had some log in problems
Owl 29th May 2011, 8:33 AM edit delete reply
Owl
I like everything... except Palma. Quite frankly, she scares the crap out of me.
Dry Guy 29th May 2011, 8:41 AM edit delete reply
Palma's looking much more like a Pianta than before, that's for sure. Not a surprise she's strong. On the design, I like the leafy hair, though her hands and arms seem out of proportion with one another. It might be the angle, though, what with perspective being hard to get right. Her breasts seem a bit out of proportion, too. They look too big for the torso size. But that's the problem I can see, rest of the crew is perfect.

I'm currently loving everything about the bob-ombs. The explanation for separating the sentient and non was great, and I love the twist you put on the old "robot rebellion" trope. I can't help but wonder if something like this resulted in some bob-ombs being designed with ability to explode repeatedly without dying.
Not Important 29th May 2011, 9:06 AM edit delete reply
Okay, McCoy looks akward with the leg movement. I think he looks like a black Blaziken. Also? Go's chin is pointy.
vash 29th May 2011, 9:39 AM edit delete reply
I think Mc coy is really awesome in this page, and martello is best this way, when she doesn´t sparkle and her hat on like before.
palma looks a bit... weird, I think she looks better in the old way.
guy... is guy... he cant be wrong ^^
go is nice and... Oh my god... Is that a Mecha Bomb??
RADDman 29th May 2011, 9:41 AM edit delete reply
I personally think the new artist is pretty awesome. I wouldn't mind if you did the art again, but I also wouldn't mind if he stayed. That's just me
Stinkosar 29th May 2011, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
Alright, I still prefer Morgen's art.
Though this is a very big improvement;
Go - Fine
McCoy - Eeeh, Not Mario Raven-y enough.
Martello - Large improvement, though mostly meh.
Guy - Perfect
Palma - Even though she IS a pianta, her proportions are a bit..off.
Guest 29th May 2011, 10:43 AM edit delete reply
^^a bit off? I would say a LOT off... but I agree
Sman X 29th May 2011, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
Sman X
I think there are a couple points here that I'm seeing. 1) Morgenstern and Obfuscobble are definatly hearing what is being said and it looks like it is still being worked on and 2)we dont know how close these are to what Morgenstern ORIGINALLY saw in his head when he made these characters as well. Sometimes things get lost in translation between telling someone about them or even doing it yourself.
FuzzyZergling 29th May 2011, 10:58 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, this seems like a nice comprimise between your and Obfu's art styles.
I can tell who everyone is and everyone looks awesome (even Palma)! :D
Guest 29th May 2011, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
^NO. You can't be serious, palms looks revolting, her face just looks.masculine, old, and she's too... big!
Guest 29th May 2011, 11:02 AM edit delete reply
*Palma
Secret Agent 000 29th May 2011, 11:13 AM edit delete reply
o.0
W.T.F.
The characters look...just...horrible.
I'm sorry...but their just...horrid.

Martello looks relatively OK...much better than last week, anyway.
Go looks...well, slightly off...but nothing TOO bad. Probably the chin, like a few people mentioned.
Guy looks normal actually. No complaints there...
McCoy looks...too...uh...well, sleek? I think that's right...
Nothing compared to Palma though...that face...just...that face...horrible...just...horrible. Words cannot describe how HORRID that face is. I'm sorry, I don't say this to be mean, but...it's just horrid. I LITERALLY shudder whenever I look at that face. It's that bad. I can only hope that it's a one-time fluke...but seriously? That...ugh. That and her proportions seem off, somewhat. But that's still small potatoes compared to that face.

(to be continued, next post...)
Secret Agent 000 29th May 2011, 11:14 AM edit delete reply
(continued from last post)

The Bob-Ombs all looked great though. No problems there, not in the least.
I can honestly say that the Bob-Ombs looked nice.

As for the Goombas...well, two things really;
1-there is a reason most people draw Goombas without hands. They look...very...UnGoombalike with them.
2-they reminded me, somehow, of Biff. Y'know, from the Book of Biff? I think it's the eyebrows. Yep, it's the eyebrows, alright.

And the rendition of Bob-Omb Battlefield, whoever's idea THAT was, was a good one.

And,
@Everyone who thinks Palma is weak
...She IS weak, COMPARED TO PINTAS.
The same Pintas who can, and WILL, throw the LEGENDARY MARIO higher than he can even jump. (I'm a Chuck)
Yeah, SLIGHT difference in scale.
She's weak for Pintas, but strong for most other races.
Like a human baby can still be larger than a relatively huge ant; it isn't necessarily so much about the TRUE power, as it is for the PERCEIVED.
Secret Agent 000 29th May 2011, 11:17 AM edit delete reply
Oops...
Slight spelling error.

That line in the second post was supposed to be not,
(I'm a Chuck)
but
(I'm a Chuckster!)
...which pretty much sums up the power of the Pintas.
That is, if they actually care enough to do so...
Anonymous 29th May 2011, 11:17 AM edit delete reply
psst, check your k-email
infinity6 29th May 2011, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
so i see the first panel and it looks pretty cool with the bob-omb mech, then i see the uglier-looking people in the next panel and ugh! no better, but i like how the bob-ombs are less techno-y. final verdict:





Feh.
Stormgale 29th May 2011, 11:30 AM edit delete reply
Im liking the new art style, keep it up you two, ignore the haters :3
T the Shy Guy 29th May 2011, 11:31 AM edit delete reply
T the Shy Guy
okay, NOW this is looking better. the only thing that bugs me now is Palma's face...it just looks too, Man-ish
Guest 29th May 2011, 12:07 PM edit delete reply
Love the art. McCoy is a BAMF!!!
Does anyone have a screen cap of guy's eye before it was changed??
Stinkosar 29th May 2011, 12:09 PM edit delete reply
Oh also, my main problem with McCoy, he is too slender.

Look at Raphael Raven, look at Morgenstein's McCoy, now look at this McCoy.

Ravens are big, mang.
Knoppe 29th May 2011, 12:29 PM edit delete reply
Ok the art is GOOD i just don't like it for this. And Palma just looks kinda creepy
Knoppe 29th May 2011, 12:31 PM edit delete reply
Well ok, Mccoy looks good, martello looks good, and guy looks good. the other two i'm gonna have to get used to if you use this permenately
Sangheili 01 29th May 2011, 1:25 PM edit delete reply
Sangheili 01
Where the heck is guy? XDD

well despite the fact that this is a different art style hehehe every one seems to have a little "change of attitude" (mmm well that is too hasty) on their expressions =P (I think it would be nice to see at least a few more works on this style with this characters as part, or not, of the comic XD)

The only one who seems a little weird is Palma... but I imagine that it is hard to mix a Pretty good looking nerdy girl (that some times looks hot XDD) with the conical shape and traits of the "Palma race" XD

Anyway good luck with your work Morgen
HUGE FAN 29th May 2011, 1:48 PM edit delete reply
Ridiculous! As in I still like the style here! Go for it!
Whistle-tall 29th May 2011, 1:53 PM edit delete reply
Now THIS is what I was talking about last week with the "middle-ground" stuff. My only problem is with Mccoy's eyes. I think I just prefer his eyes having the nothing ever-bothering-him-emptiness that they had before. However, that is very minor to the enjoyment of this web-comic as a whole. It is pure awesomeness once more!
RICK BO 29th May 2011, 2:03 PM edit delete reply
RICK BO
I have to say this is definitely a step in the right direction from the page last week. but some characters still feel off for me.
Palma, of course, is too...Hulkish, and all the facial features she has now kinda detract from her character.

And along the lines of too much detail; McCoy; looks too statuesque, and I feel you won't have a decent drawing of him unless you can see him cracking some cheesy one-liner at any time.
Look at that face and say "This door does look Hilariously Forecable."

Honestly, it was the lack of detail that gave your art such character.

"...wait, yeah.
Nevermind.
I'd arrest me for that too"
TheCultist 29th May 2011, 2:32 PM edit delete reply
Well, well, well, whattawehavehere?

I say, this is definitely a step in the right direction. Fine adjustments will be necessary, but that's nothing a talented artist can't take care of (As far as I saw it, Obfuscobble _is_ a talented artist).

I am kind of disappointed that this experiment is already over, I am courious on where it would have gone.
Freezie43110 29th May 2011, 2:33 PM edit delete reply
Personally, I like this page. I had a few problems with the last one, such as trying to pretty up Martello, and being unable to tell a Goomba from a generic imp. But this seems to be a good take on the characters and landscape. I don't prefer it over the original simpler art, but this probably attracts more attention.
SneakQQ 29th May 2011, 2:37 PM edit delete reply
Uh.... I seem to miss last week's comic's style...
Freezie43110 29th May 2011, 2:45 PM edit delete reply
*Edit: Yes, I do think some things are a bit off with the characters, but everyone else has already stated just about everything that could be tweaked or improved.
Guest 29th May 2011, 3:02 PM edit delete reply
Okay, the shorter hair works MUCH better. It still looks a touch off comparative to your own original art but, this is a bit more of a happy medium between it and the last example.
DocMadfox 29th May 2011, 3:48 PM edit delete reply
This is better... for the most part. I don't like Bishie McCoy, but that likely comes down to personal preference as he's not bad (I do like his dreads), and oh God poor Palma. Palma here is the biggest complaint I can muster. I know that this is closer to how they look in-game, but the perspective on her chest is off and.... above all poor Palma. I would still like to see you drawing this comic Morgenstern, but I can live with this change.
Guest 29th May 2011, 3:55 PM edit delete reply
This is good! Stick with this, respond to problems as they pop up, and it'll be perfect!
Hobojoe007 29th May 2011, 4:03 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
I just think you should go back to using your style Morgenstern, as much as it is improving, I don't think it will feel like the same thing we have been attached to for so long. Even if Palma gets restored to her real self, I wont feel the same excitement from your series as I used to.
Magravan 29th May 2011, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
Magravan
Wow, that's a lot of comments :D I like this one a lot better than the last one. It's still different, and it takes some time to get used to different, even if it is better... But I am thankful that effort was made to make it look more like the character designs that we know and love :)
Bonz0 29th May 2011, 4:22 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
The fun part of this comic was discussing and speculating about different parts of the new page. Guessing what species certain characters are supposed to be, for instance.

I don't want the comments section to become a game of "give advice and critique for obfuscobble to make the next page a little bit better". How long does it last? A few more weeks before we end up with something we can all claim to tolerate? No thank you.
Guest 29th May 2011, 4:36 PM edit delete reply
To be honest, even with Morg's art the comments should have critique of art in them. One of the most useful tools of comment sections is an easy collective place to level criticism.
Pinstripe 29th May 2011, 4:57 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern, I'll be following this strip no matter what you choose to do.
But this? This is amazing. Last week I liked the new page, with reservations. I have no such reservations this week. It is seriously incredible, and true to the spirit and style of the comic.
So I really do hope you reconsider, or at least run with Obfuscobble for a few more weeks. And I don't think I'm alone there.
Anyway, good luck, Morgenstern. And great work, you and Obfuscobble!
NotJoe 29th May 2011, 5:18 PM edit delete reply
NotJoe
I love that the demand for a cast picture was satisfied with a comic.
Oarboar 29th May 2011, 6:08 PM edit delete reply
Oarboar
First of all, this is much better than last week, but then the bar was set pretty low last week.

I'm still glad Morgenstern is taking back the artwork next week. Obsfuscobble is talented, but his art still doesn't match this strip. Let me analyze it a little further:

Martello: Better than last week in that she looks more like a Koopa and less like someone in Princess Peach's entourage.

McCoy: Nope. It's an improvement over the first McCoy that someone posted a link to last week, but I still much prefer Morgenstern's original. Who was it that said that he looked like flowing pollution? I agree with that sentiment.

Palma: Oh. My. God. Pleasemakeitstop. Seriously, it's like an eggbeater got taken to her character. And what's with the plastic surgery? One thing I liked is that while Palma may have been a traditional Pianta in not really wearing a lot of clothing, Morgerstern didn't use it as a cheap excuse to pander to moron schoolboy fantasies but instead drew her fairly normal (normal for a runaway genius pirate, that is). It's telling that the most enthusiastic comment about her came from a 17-year-old.

Go: Not a bad representation, but again Obfuscobble misses the mark. In the battles with Guy, Thrive and Birdo, Go's use of his fire ability was established to be Kind Of A Big Deal, as it required some focus for him to use. Now, he's suddenly switching it on like a veteran cop switching on the siren to pull over a speeder. Uh, no. Technically well done, but out of character.

Guy: No complaints here. Didn't see the first version, so I can't comment on it.

I'm with hobojoe007: I'd like Morgenstern back on this strip, but would be interested in seeing a collaboration with Obfuscobble on a different project. Right now, this is like putting an NBA center in as an NHL center. It just doesn't work.
Miss 29th May 2011, 6:28 PM edit delete reply
I feel satisfied with this comic enough to leave a comment. :) [I don't think that anybody noticed but out of the bi-jillion comments on the last comic, not one of them was mine.]

I like Go and maybe Martello. Guy deffinetly. Palma needs elbows and more of a figure. Not boobs. Like less mussle and more curves. But I really hate McCoy. I know that he's supposed to be a bird but still, NO.

I wish that I had Hobojoe007's picture thingie.....
MeowMixIsForCats339 29th May 2011, 6:29 PM edit delete reply
Spelled the wrong name!!!!! I posted the "Miss" comment. :p
Invader.Socks 29th May 2011, 7:47 PM edit delete reply
Invader.Socks
Finally got an account here. Love this comic and, even though this new art style isn't staying I love it (Except Palma's face) and I look forward to seeing your guys' new collab comic in the future. Subscribed!
Lukkai 29th May 2011, 7:48 PM edit delete reply
I like it!

Yes, Palma still needs some work in my opinion. She looks a bit like the Hulk there, might look better from another angle though. Shouldn't need that much of a change.
Martello needs a little fine tuning as well, imho. I think this was one step to far in tuning the girliness down. I like the hair and the lack of sparkling, but she could use just a touch more feminity.

I really, really dig McCoy's new look!

Overall I'd really like to see more of this. With a change in style like this, a little trial and error has to be expected.
DeadApple 29th May 2011, 8:03 PM edit delete reply
DeadApple
@Starcat5 I found it on a google image search...i think, and it's acually Voltron :P

@Oarbar I'm fairly certain if Obscoffle is drawing Fire Go, it's at Morgenstern's consent. Also there could of some time passed between the Birdo arc, and this current arc. Maybe Go have refined his skills with the Fireflower.
Evdog 29th May 2011, 8:11 PM edit delete reply
Evdog
Everybody is still talking about the art style, when pretty much all the points have already been made.

On a different note, the PLOT: What is going to happen after this fight? Is this the only Mecha Bob-omb the Koopa Army sent? Why exactly are the Chainless helping the pink bob-ombs? Is the blaarg bones shown in #77 going to show up again in any way? What's McCoy's backstory? What is that guy from #76's plan B? When will Blair have her debut?

Anybody else got wonderings (aside from "when am I going to stop asking so many questions?")?
Cemix 29th May 2011, 8:17 PM edit delete reply
This combo art style looks really good! Which means, sadly, that the focus on detail was what turned us all off of the other one... Never the less, I, as a fan, approve of this art style, and would not bash it in the future, because it is awesome.
SomeGuy 29th May 2011, 8:28 PM edit delete reply
Okay, looong time reader, first time post. (And hopefully, the only one I'll have to make.)
The art is cool, and I do like it. But as with every sudden shift there's a distinct possibility of Jumping the Shark.
In my case, I think that you tried something in the hope of improving the comic, and it backfired. Not badly, but it did. The comic loses some of it's (narm) charm with the newer, fresh art style. Hopefully, though, if you do use your own art style again, you've picked up something from Obfuscobble that you, and the fans, all feel is a comfortable improvement.
Anyways, I'm glad you've taken the risk, even if it didn't work as planned, and I'm glad you care so much about both the webcomic, and the fanbase, that you'd be willing to risk it, and then acknowledge that it's not appreciated.
Thanks for being one of the most awesome web-comic authors out there.
Pinstripe 29th May 2011, 8:30 PM edit delete reply
I really think continuing for at least another week with Obfuscobble would be a good idea. Two pages is not much to go by when it comes to judging artwork like this.
Mr Pibbleton 29th May 2011, 8:41 PM edit delete reply
Weren't people complaining about it being unclear what races things were last time, and now they're complaining that it's too obvious? Now people are complaining about constructive criticism being in the comments? That's what it's there for! Someone pointing out what they don't like and why is way more useful to the creator than gushing adoration or a simple "I like the old stuff better." Do I like the artwork on this? Yes. Do I think it can be improved? Yes. Palma's arms could use some more detail to show where her elbows are at on her left arm, the foreshortening on that side looks weird to me. Her body is more cylindrical than in Morgenstern's earlier depictions but it is more in line with how piantas actually look. The true bane of any artist is looking at something and going, "That's good enough." The drive for improvement is vital and if you honestly care about your feedback, you will use it to help them get better.
antimattergizmo 29th May 2011, 9:42 PM edit delete reply
Since no one had said this yet (I think?). McCoy looks a lot like an emperor penguin as aposed to a raven (the brows and eyes)
He should look much more lax and the feather hair with his cigerete looks much like he is Jamaican (perhaps | |)
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Palma does look all like the comments before, but I think just putting her hands back to porportion alone could improve greatly.
To everyone that is asking the thing with guy is in his right "hole?" where you can barely make out a darker oval in a lighter one and he is in the meeting room where teen vampire Martello was in 79.
Finally I think the bob-ombs suddenly got too simble (they could find a nice medium from the last.
antimattergizmo 29th May 2011, 9:44 PM edit delete reply
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Pinstripe 29th May 2011, 9:55 PM edit delete reply
Uh, Morgenstern, do you have admin powers over comments? Because this guest one kind of just fucked up your front page.
Bobby 29th May 2011, 10:07 PM edit delete reply
Martello: Awesome
McCoy: Awesome
Go: Awesome
Guy: Awesome
Palma: ...Please.For the of God.GET RID OF THAT THING!!!
Morgenstern 29th May 2011, 10:16 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
I had to delete that picture for stretching the page, though it was admittedly pretty great. Sorry guest.
Grimlock13 29th May 2011, 10:42 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
@Evdog
Unless one or many of the pink one decide to go and blast him to kingdom come, the bot could destroy a lot of them simply by shooting them at long range. It would be a simple massacre of the pink one. No backup would be needed if the Bo-bomb were alone.
Guest 29th May 2011, 11:09 PM edit delete reply
Can we get whoever drew this to do the art instead of Obfuscobble?(reposted with a smaller pic)
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Yoshi 29th May 2011, 11:48 PM edit delete reply
lol^
Yoshi 29th May 2011, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
Yoshi
Also, I agree with all these comments about Palma. Have obfuscobble tweak her design, and you're in the clear, I say. I don't want him to go, after seeing him draw the other characters ._.
Yoshi 29th May 2011, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
Yoshi
Also, I agree with all these comments about Palma. Have obfuscobble tweak her design, and you're in the clear, I say. I don't want him to go, after seeing him draw the other characters ._.
Drauken 30th May 2011, 12:03 AM edit delete reply
Palma's arms aside, I find this style more than acceptable. I give it a A ranking. I wouldn't try for an SSS though, that would require real 3D(as opposed to the kind that just pops off the screen), as well as movement and sound.
Tokoyoto 30th May 2011, 6:32 AM edit delete reply
image

Blair?
Grimlock13 30th May 2011, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
@Guest (with the manga styled picture)
Don't you ever do that...
TheZombieShana 30th May 2011, 11:44 AM edit delete reply
TheZombieShana
These two comics felt like a guest comic thing, and it would be quite interesting if you had guests do a few comics like this now and again; gives everyone a new outlook on old characters.
Koolerkid 30th May 2011, 1:37 PM edit delete reply
This is so much better than the last comic. Martello is no longer a swishy anime sex icon, which is nice. She looks a bit TOO manly, but I can deal with it; it's better than what we had last week. McCoy is looking pretty badass, as he should. Go looks friggen AMAZING; he just went up several levels of badass right there. Guy looks... well, like Guy. And... I can't find Palma anywhere, which I find odd. And who's that new, ugly blue character? I really don't like her, is she some sort of Palma replacement? [/sarcasm]
Morgenstern 30th May 2011, 4:02 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
So, some changes have been made to the comic.

Also, seeing somebody post with one of my screennames is kinda weird
Oarboar 30th May 2011, 4:09 PM edit delete reply
Well, that messed with my previous comment a wee bit. Well played.
KZ 30th May 2011, 4:39 PM edit delete reply
Palma looks just... ugh. Someone seriously messed up on the arms. I mean, wow..
Chiming In 30th May 2011, 4:39 PM edit delete reply
This is much better than last strip. Although, as many others have said, there is room for improvement (guy seems a little distorted) most of these characters seem much more recognisable, and I could absolutely tolerate seeing the comic continue in this way (although I still ultimately prefer Morgenstern's style).
Yoshi 30th May 2011, 4:42 PM edit delete reply
LOL, palma's chest shrunk. That's good. I'm pretty sure it's impossible for anyone, pianta or otherwise, to be that well endowed.
Guest 30th May 2011, 5:11 PM edit delete reply
I gotta say I love this. I really liked your art and I'm one of the few people that liked the art in last weeks comic, but this...this is just awesome.
ShootURIout64 30th May 2011, 5:18 PM edit delete reply
I really really like this. So what if Palma looks a bit like the Hulk. In my opinion Piantas should be huge. And besides, she's still more attractive than this:

http://www.mariowiki.com/images/1/17/Francesca2.PNG

This artwork has the benefit of appeasing old fans as well as being appealing to new fans.
I'm_Solid_Snaek 30th May 2011, 5:54 PM edit delete reply
Ok, this time I'm just too lazy to log on, but...
It's all great. Except for Palma. I had to bleach my eyes to cleanse that image from my brain.
I'm_Solid_Snaek 30th May 2011, 6:05 PM edit delete reply
Wasn't Go a lot shorter?
And his crotch looks...crotchy.
It is weird.
PALMA'S BOOBLES SHRUNKEDED!
Guest 30th May 2011, 6:09 PM edit delete reply
Actually, Go appears to be suffering from a distinct lack of crotch...
Reminds me of Samus' power suit...
But Samus has an excuse. 'cuz she's, y'know... not a guy.
Futurevgd 30th May 2011, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
all art aside i have to wonder why Guy isnt helping the rest of the crew. Also i think he might be in a mech. a big explosive mech. why? because i do. :)
Therazan 30th May 2011, 6:55 PM edit delete reply
Therazan
Yeah, i expect some real good action with Guy in this: he's thrown against nonsentient being this time; no reason not to be violent!!

But I'm giving 3 stars, 2 less than usual, because i am losing interest with all these art that i feel have nothing to do with Mario universe...
Guest 30th May 2011, 7:51 PM edit delete reply
That is an improvement to Palma, but she still makes me want to vomit, I just want the old mushroom go back
Hobojoe007 30th May 2011, 8:13 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
Well, now I don't cringe quite as much when looking at Palma. But she still is very man-like her arms are still bad, her face still looks... bleh... maybe its partialy because you can see her creepy eyes, I liked it when the glare from her glasses covered them, and her more recent ones only showed the pupils (#76) In short, I like the effort Obfuscobble is putting fourth, but I still think Morgenstern should continue his comic, with HIS art.

I also agree that McCoy looks too skinny, he isn't at big (not fat big, but tall and strong big) as he used to be
Youngs333 30th May 2011, 8:19 PM edit delete reply
wow, just, Amazing! great new details on the characters and, just, wow...
Yoshi 30th May 2011, 8:29 PM edit delete reply
I think the problem with Go is that his waistline is a tad high.
Hobojoe007 30th May 2011, 8:40 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
I feel at home when I go back to look at the old comics. My favorite arc so far was the Piranha Plant Lab one. I hope this arc leads to something exciting like that!
gHEST 30th May 2011, 9:35 PM edit delete reply
I've taken my time commenting, letting this style sink in a bit, and even with the improvements, I prefer Morgenstern's original style. I haven't investigated whether he switched artists at some point, but Van Von Hunter is a great example of a comic whose artistic style improved as time progressed, and I have no doubt something similar, and much more acceptable to the followers would happen if he continued this as a solo project.

Sorry about the massive run-on.
This Troper 30th May 2011, 10:29 PM edit delete reply
You should fire that jackass Obfuscobble and get this guy to draw Mushroom Go!

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Vivian_Tilde! 30th May 2011, 10:30 PM edit delete reply
I miss Morgenstern's art too~! I just don't think it looks like the Mushroom Go I love without it!
But Hobojoe's right about that teenage art! Palma looks so cute! Morgenstern, if you're really set on experimenting with artists, why not that guy? He's probably related to those trolls from ustream.
Blooper 31st May 2011, 12:56 AM edit delete reply
Did anybody save the last version of the current comic, by chance =P? I'm curious to see it.
Madness 31st May 2011, 1:14 AM edit delete reply
Morgenstern! Morgenstern! I love Morgenstern's art!

All of these examples are wonderful fan art, but I'm sorry to say, sucky Mushroom Go art.
Me 31st May 2011, 3:32 AM edit delete reply
I'm fine with the comic as it is now and i was fine with it when it had the traditional rugged, sketched look. But Morgenstern, please stop constantly experimenting with the artwork styles. I mean, sure, once in a while, but with all these different looks (technically just 2 different comic artworks in a row) i'm finding it hard to focus on the actual plot line itself.
Chat Lag Ate My Message 31st May 2011, 3:52 AM edit delete reply
Chat Lag Ate My Message
Yanno, as an artist myself, I can honestly say that the "fire Obfuscobble nao!" comments are pretty harsh and INCREDIBLY unnecessary. Yes, the other people who have drawn fanart of the comic are great, but I really don't think they fill the style either. As many have said about last week's comic, they're too generic. Obfuscobble has done a WONDERFUL job at emulating Morgenstern's style. Granted, it will never be the SAME as his, but it's not too bad. You guys who are blatantly FLAMING the artist for doing what he's paid to do need to sit down, shut up and just come along for the ride. I'd love to see Morgenstern draw the comics just as much as everyone here, but I think he's made a fine decision for the comic's sake if he feels he's not able to give it the artistic umph he feels is needed.
Evdog 31st May 2011, 5:14 AM edit delete reply
Evdog
Second that!
Futurevgd 31st May 2011, 9:16 AM edit delete reply
why is no one discussing the story? Seriously, i see 3 other comments about the story. Does anyone else think Guy is in a giant explosive mech because i still do. And it would be awesome if it were true. (hey, that rhymes)
Futurevgd (again) 31st May 2011, 9:24 AM edit delete reply
also on the very first comic Morgenstern, you said you would be focusing more on the writing than the art. i hope that feeling didn't go away.
Not Joe 31st May 2011, 1:00 PM edit delete reply
We're not discussing the story because there isn't much to discuss. They're about to fight a bob-omb mecha.
Haya 31st May 2011, 2:38 PM edit delete reply
@ Futurevgd

Getting someone else to do the art will allow him to focus more on the story.
BlueMario 31st May 2011, 2:42 PM edit delete reply
My like for this comic's art evens out.
I like how NEWNEW Martello looks, but not as much as standard Martello (self-cancelling)
I sort of like the new McCoy
I sort of dislike the new Palma-too much face (cancells McCoy)
I'm neutrall on the new Go

(And I kind of liked the Goombas as well, they reminded me of Prof. Frankly)
Boren 31st May 2011, 3:44 PM edit delete reply
I like the way this strip looks McCoy looks like he's dodging that cannon blast like 'Eh no big" which is perfect for him. The capt. looks good and has an attractive and strong look about her. Go looks fine not much change. Palma Ummm...mostly good some tweaking on the forearms is badly needed maybe a touch on the face too so that she looks a bit younger again (unless she should to be older then we all thought.)
Hobojoe007 31st May 2011, 3:51 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
@Boren, Palma is a teenager so I don't think she is older than we think. Not much time has passed since Go became a member of the Chainless and it's clearly stated by McCoy that she is a teenager in one of the first few comics.
MeowMixIsForCats339 31st May 2011, 3:57 PM edit delete reply
IJUSTREALIZEDSOMETHINGTHATISAWESOMEHIPHIPHOORAYOMIGOSH!!!!!!

The actual comic got edited! Go's chin isn't as pointy(I know someone had a problem with that) and Palma's boobs shrank!(Something I had a problem with)

Thank you Morganstern for listening to our complaints and suggestions!!! :D
Spinnerlink 31st May 2011, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
Spinnerlink
PALMA, needs a little tweaking. also Mccoy looks a little too gossamar.
MrWeatherby 31st May 2011, 6:40 PM edit delete reply
MrWeatherby
This guy's art is actually good. You should maybe just stick with him. Writing could still use work, but at least things are dynamic.

edit: Seriously if people are sperging out about the art suddenly becoming passable, they have bad taste. It doesn't fix all the problems here, but it solves a large part of what was visually off about the comic.
Pinstripe 31st May 2011, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
So, Morgenstern, you seem kind of down on this change in your newspost up top, but I really hope you reconsider. This is a great move for Mushroom Go, and I think the other fans agree.

That said, even if you are going to change back - could Obfuscobble do just one more page? Three is a much better number to stop on than two. Two feels unbalanced.
Pinstripe 31st May 2011, 8:02 PM edit delete reply
For example:
Three albums with the original line up of The Ramones
Three albums David Bowie did with The
Spiders From Mars
Three albums make up Bowie's Berlin Trilogy
Three T. Rex albums before Bolan started chasing the American market and lost popularity
Three Lord Of The Rings books
Three original Star Wars movies
Three seasons of Star Trek: The Original Series
Three Synoptic Gospels
The Holy Trinity
Id, Ego, and Superego
So, if you're going to stop, stopping on three makes a lot more sense.
Pinstripe 31st May 2011, 8:07 PM edit delete reply
Two, on the other hand? Ugh! So frustrating.
The New York Dolls recorded only two albums. A tragedy! Don't repeat their mistake.
Same with the original line up of American garage rock band The Sonics!
Two good parts of the Godfather! Infuriating!
Two Testaments! Can't we take the Prophets and make them the third? No one reads them anyway.
Two White Stripes, two Black Keys, two Cramps. Come on, guys, if you're going to use a "the" name, get a third member! Otherwise you're just a duo.
Clearly stopping at two makes no sense and is just a ploy designed to infuriate me, personally. Come on, Morgenstern, don't play like that.
Spinnerlink 31st May 2011, 8:35 PM edit delete reply
Spinnerlink
You might want to update the comic profile pic, to the new style, if it is permanet.
Triskelli 31st May 2011, 9:39 PM edit delete reply
Triskelli
Don't care what anyone says, I freaking love this design. The art flows, the colors are brilliant, everything just WORKS.

If you want to transition to this style, I give full support.

*EDIT*

Well...

Read a few more comments, and I have to agree; While I do enjoy Obby's work, the change is still abrupt. I'd love to see a full lineup of the cast in the new style...
Guest 31st May 2011, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
Please just go back to doing the art yourself. I mean, now you have a whole week to work on perfecting YOUR art for each comic, although I think your art was just fine the way it has always been. Then again you have been improving over the year. Just continue it on your own, please?
Mastokid 31st May 2011, 11:57 PM edit delete reply
Now that Ive seen the crew, I think the art is allright!
spriteless 1st Jun 2011, 4:01 AM edit delete reply
I like this one's art. The only thing I can find to critique is Palmella's forearms seem to lack wrists. If the art style is like this, or like your original style that attracted me to it, I shall keep reading as per usual.
Oh my 1st Jun 2011, 8:40 AM edit delete reply
HER HANDS ARE AS BIG AS HER HEAD. THAT CAN'T BE NATURAL. That is all.
drakvl 1st Jun 2011, 9:13 AM edit delete reply
I don't mind the art change, really; I just would have preferred it at the end of a story arc. The art impacts the feel of the story, and a sudden change in the middle of the action seems a bit jarring.
NotJoe 1st Jun 2011, 10:48 AM edit delete reply
NotJoe
^^This guy makes a good point.


In any case, since other people are going down the list of characters....

Martello-Great
McCoy-Good
Go-Great
Palma-Okay->Good (Thank you for editing her)
Guy-Great
Bob-Omb Mech-Awesome

BlueMario 1st Jun 2011, 11:26 AM edit delete reply
Guy's eyes?
More endowed Palma?
Second one i don't really care about but I wish to this the version that has Guy's eyes showing.
Anyone save/have/link it?
Starcat5 1st Jun 2011, 11:47 AM edit delete reply
Starcat5
I say give the artist another shot. Only this time try doing a Mini-Arc, so we can get a taste if the style without it overstaying it's welcome if it falls flat. ...and some advanced warning next time would be nice. To keep the backlash to a minimum next time.

That said, I can see it working ether way. If we keep this artiest, Palma needs to look skinnier and more geeky. On the other talon, if you decide to go back to the old style for good, please, PLEASE try to incorporate more of this SMB2US Raven McCoy into your Paper Mario Raven McCoy. As badassed as McCoy is, every time I look at him I have to remind myself that he is NOT a WOOKIE! Paper Mario Ravens just don't convert into Anthro style all that well.
Hobojoe007 1st Jun 2011, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
I agree with Bonz0 that I would rather have morgenstern continue to draw this, rather than take weeks of Obfuscobble tweaking little things and finally creating something that we somehow bring ourselves to be satisfied with. Lets please end these shenanigans and continue with this awesome plot and pretend none of this ever happened.

@BlueMario trust me, you do NOT want to see what Palma looked like, its like the ugly one you see now +500 lbs
Not Steve 1st Jun 2011, 12:44 PM edit delete reply
i reread all the comics again and i say they are gonig to be awesome no matter what.
Grimlock13 1st Jun 2011, 2:40 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
Nobody, seems to see that the change are more than "Palma is less endowed and Go is less spiky". Have you seen the new shading, some better detail in Guy's background image, the deeper color of his hood. Obus is giving a lot of himself to pleases Morg and us(all the readers), so give him at least some thanks for his hard work.
Hobojoe007 1st Jun 2011, 3:02 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
@Grimlock13, Yes I agree, Obfuscobble is a talented artist and is definitely doing a good job with trying to please us. I believe he is a great artist and am sorry if I may have criticized him as one. I just do not encourage him to continue drawing for mushroom go its too much of a change for people who have been enjoying this comic for almost a year now. If the style had been this way from the beginning, I most likely would not be complaining. However if it were like this from the beginning, the voices I visualize for each of the characters would be totally different. You see when I reed a comic the visuals and appearance of the characters create a voice for each character in my head. when I see a drastic change like this, I cant read it as in depth as I have in the past because the voices just aren't there, or they don't match up.

(I probably sounded like a troll earlier :P I'm just really enthusiastic about this because Mushroom Go is just so awesome.)
Sup3rguy 1st Jun 2011, 3:16 PM edit delete reply
D: where are the hawt girls gone? Seriously, Palma and Martello were the thw hot girls of the comic, now they are both to manly.... :( saddens me, I wish the art was just like it was two comics ago.
Starcat5 1st Jun 2011, 3:37 PM edit delete reply
Starcat5
Point made, Sup3rguy. Martello is a Tomboy, not an ACTUAL Boy. So yes, the roughly cut hair is infinitely better than last week's Princess look, there are STILL some tweaking to do across the board.
Grimlock13 1st Jun 2011, 3:47 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
I wasn't pointing anyone, only the general feeling some of the comment are creating. Don't feel bad Hobojoe.
Ben 1st Jun 2011, 3:48 PM edit delete reply
Why does the new captain look so much hotter? haha
MuchachoNL 1st Jun 2011, 4:16 PM edit delete reply
Why did you reduce Palma's breasts?
She is hot!
Chat Lag Ate My Message 1st Jun 2011, 4:59 PM edit delete reply
Chat Lag Ate My Message
Palma's assets got reduced because they were retardedly TOO large. They look MUCH more proportionate to her body now, and proportions are quite important in a serious storyline like Mushroom Go. If you want big breasts, MuchachoNL, go to Fur Affinity.

On the changes: I really like the extra depth added to Guy's panel. The extra shading and texture go a LONG way to make it stand out from the page. Obby is doing a fabulous job with our critiques and Morgenstern's direction. I agree that the testing of his style for this comic is not done yet, and should probably continue through the end of the arc. By the looks of this, it's probably almost finished. All in all, the art change is a good choice, but I think your art *puts a finger on Morgenstern's nose* is the best for this comic. Its rough appearance is what drew me into the comic and got me hooked. I really enjoy the grungy sketch look it had, and it gave the comic a lot of individual character. But, you must do what you must do, and I do think this was a good choice all the same.
Hobojoe007 1st Jun 2011, 5:22 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
Okay, so what a great majority of the comments I'm seeing are like "well, its good, I like it. but I still quietly prefer Morgenstern's, but if you need to its okay." Everyone is being to shy about saying that they truly prefer the old Mushroom Go. If most of us really want it like it was when we fell in love with it, then we need to stand up and let Morgenstern know what we really prefer. That's the only way he will know what our %100 honest opinions are. When I read these comment,s and think from Morgensterns perspective, I would be like "WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE WANT!?" ya know? I'd be extremely confused about what everyone really wants, because there are too many neutral comments. He wants to know what we want, so tell him one way or the other.

Sorry but I really think I need to say this
CandyCoon 1st Jun 2011, 5:36 PM edit delete reply
I think the new art is really great, it's different in a good way. Regardless I liked the original art too and I wouldn't mind if it changed back to the original.

By the way does anybody have a picture of Guy before the change? Now I'm curious about it...

Personally though I feel bad for Obfuscobble, it can be pretty dissapointing to try and help a popular comic with your art and get nothing but complaints about it, crits are good, but be nice about it guys comics are hard work.

Anyway I'm excited to see what kind of trouble they are going to get into this chapter, we are only a few pages in but I already sense some massive explosions in the future.
Grimlock13 1st Jun 2011, 8:47 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
How could I missed it! He even added transparency to the hammers to simulate fast movement.
Mr. Vareel 2nd Jun 2011, 12:04 AM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
Hobojoe007: I agree with you. That being said, I cast my vote (completely and utterly) for the Old Λrt! (Finally! I made a joke that doesn't completely suck! Now it just mostly sucks.) This new stuff…it’s sort of like humor; it great in most situations, but in some places, no. I personally feel that the art (the old style, not this one) was borderline the most awesome thing about the comic (the other being Guy). The new art is great, just NOT HERE! Put it somewhere else, where it can be better appreciated, and bring back the stuff that first got us hooked in! (Did I just write up a rant? Good God!)

In a somewhat unrelated note, I’ve made a Mii of the Sheriff from Twisters Burrow using my 3DS. Can someone tell me how to put images in comments? I’d like to post a QR code image of the Mii. Maybe then, someone can improve it.

In a completely unrelated note, I just lost The Game!

(I predict a "What the Hell did I just do?" moment in my near future.)
Madness 2nd Jun 2011, 12:24 AM edit delete reply
Anything I say will only repeat what I or others have said before, but it doesn't make the points against the new art and for the old any less true.

And they are very, very true.

So, simply, I vote the old art. Please, bring it back as quickly as possible, I can't wait another week.

I don't WANT to.
Them 2nd Jun 2011, 1:20 AM edit delete reply
@ Hobojoe007

It seems ever umteenth comment posted you feel the need to pop up and say that you prefer the old style. I know you've pointed out some other things but you should know insisting over an over isn't going to make it go that way.

Lukkai 2nd Jun 2011, 2:51 AM edit delete reply
If we're going to cast a vote, I'm putting my name in the "New Art" hat.

Ob's learning curve here is pretty steep! With the made changes, I already like the current comic pretty good. A few small thinks could yet be tweaked a little, but no real biggie. And I LOVE the new McCoy!

I will admit though, that it would have been better to do the art change with a sidestory or the beginning of a new chapter instead of mid-arc. But what's done is done, changing it now and then back again as soon as the arc is over would only add to the confusion.
MuchachoNL 2nd Jun 2011, 4:20 AM edit delete reply
Gotta love ppl who send you away for your opinion :D

Anywho: I like both arts, but got to know Go with the old art, so for me it's like what Morgenstern said himself: "It's cool, but it would better fit a new comic with a different story/subject"
Big breasted Palma or not :p
corvuscorone68 2nd Jun 2011, 5:12 AM edit delete reply
ok um here is my opinion: this comic strip is AWESOME and anyone who doesn't AGREE needs to just shut up and let the awesome run them over like a rhino driving a Ferrarri!
Rage-Nakasa 2nd Jun 2011, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
@ Corvuscorone68
Who died and made you king of anything?
you can't tell us what to do or not to do...
NotJoe 2nd Jun 2011, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
NotJoe
As crazy as it may seem, I'm going with the new art. No offense to Morgenstern's or anything, but having someone else draw it and having it look like this is a good thing. It gives him more time to write cool dialogue. :3
Hoy! Small Fry 2nd Jun 2011, 12:19 PM edit delete reply
Hoy! Small Fry
I've been posting as a guest for a while here and I just made an account and subscribed, and I want the old style back for two reasons. The first is pretty much everything everyone that wants the old art back has already said. Second is totally different, When we had the old style, this was a happy community that enjoyed Mushroom Go, but now that the art has changed, half of those happy fans became angry trolls and this whole fiasco has sparked a war between us.

So Morgenstern, there are two choices, one is to keep using Obfuscobble and have a half-pleased fanbase. While people like me will be okay with it either way, the others will continue finding things they don't like and will most likely complain a lot more in the future.

The second is to do what you said, look at this and say it was a good experiment, a great learning experience, and colab with obfuscobble on another awesome webcomic in the future. While some of us will be a wee bit disappointed, thinking it could have gone somewhere. You will have more than likely restored mushroom go to its former glory, and wont have half of your fanbase as angry trolls that spam and complain.
Azureink 2nd Jun 2011, 2:37 PM edit delete reply
This version of McCoy is good, but needs to be a little beefier. Just a tad. As he had a slightly broader profile in the original artwork. Although, in this case it might be the angles involved.

Sasha needs just the slightest modification in becoming a little softer in form. She seems a little too buff and not curvy enough. But it has to be slight. Plus I think her breasts were a tiny bit bigger in the original artwork. Just a tad.

Everything just seems to need the slightest of modifications.
Azureink 2nd Jun 2011, 2:38 PM edit delete reply
Otherwise, a grand improvement over the previous page. This art style may work.
Mr. Vareel 2nd Jun 2011, 4:10 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
@corvuscorone68: This style IS awesome, and I am more than willing to be run over by it. JUST NOT HERE! Part of Mushroom Go’s appeal was its unique art style. There's nothing wrong with this new art style! It's great! (Hey obfuscobble! Keep up the good work!) But when you take away a unique feature that had great appeal and replace it with another feature (unique or not, with or without great appeal), it's going to stir up a storm! I don't have a problem with this art, but it's not the unique thing that helped make this comic great! It's sort of like changing the control scheme for a video game 3/4 of the way in! If the original scheme was good, then it doesn't matter how good the new scheme is, there is going to be a problem. If you change the control scheme in the sequel game, some people might grumble a bit but there's not going to be an uproar. Likewise, if this art style was used in a sequel to Mushroom Go (Can webcomics have sequels?), I doubt there would be more than dozen complaints and no more than three complaining loudmouths. That the worst case scenario I can see. But this? This is not a change to be made part way through the project. This is a change to be made after this has finished, a change to be made in the next game, in the sequel comic. (I just wrote up another rant, didn’t I? Was it something I ate? I sense another "What the Hell did I just do?" coming up.)
Guest 2nd Jun 2011, 4:18 PM edit delete reply
has anyone else noticed that mushroom go got more subscribers because of this? :D
GreenIntern 2nd Jun 2011, 4:19 PM edit delete reply
Obfuscobble's really showing his chops here. Keep the new style around, and keep on working with 'scobble to make it even better.
MuchachoNL 2nd Jun 2011, 4:39 PM edit delete reply
BTW, Chat Lag ate my message:
You see Palma's freaky huge assed hands?
And then you're the one talking about proportions....

The way I see Palma is as the hot one in the group.
Every group is usually based upon:
- One shy fellow (Shy Guy)
- One Macho man (McCoy)
- One rookie who's in between the former (Go)
- One Tomboy (Captain Martello)
- One intellectual hot chick (Palma)
Bob-omb Zimmerman 2nd Jun 2011, 5:34 PM edit delete reply
Come gather 'round whiners wherever you roam
and admit that the comic you're reading has grown
and if you don't we will soon all be drenched in the moan
If my time to you is worth savin'
then you'd better stop whinging at what scobble has shown
For Mushroom Go it is a-changin'.

Come posters and critics who lament and condemn
and keep your eyes wide, the change won't come again
and don't make a fuss as obfuscobble begins
as he's making the art so engagin'
For the comic now will be later to win
For Mushroom Go it is a-changin'.

Come tropers and fanartists please heed the call
Don't be full of worry, don't sit there and bawl
For he who gets burnt will be he who has stalled
There's a battle online and it's ragin'
It'll soon break your windows as your comments pall
For Mushroom Go it is a-changin'.

Come all men and women throughout the land
And don't criticize what you can't understand
Morgenstern and Scobble are beyond your command
And your novelty is rapidly aging
Please get off their backs if you won't lend a hand
For Mushroom Go it is a-changin'.

The line it is drawn, the color is cast
Obfuscobble is here, and he's here to last
The old art was good but will be surpassed
This front page is quickly degrading
The semblance of civility I fear will collapse
For Mushroom Go it is a-changin'.
Bonz0 2nd Jun 2011, 6:57 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
There are more subscribers because so many felt the need to create accounts and inform Morgenstern that they do not approve of the art change.

Indeed, zimmer, the art WILL be surpassed. By Morgenstern himself as he improves his art.

All this talk about how we should give obfuscobble one more page and then one more page and then one more page....
I know it's not your intention but it feel like you guys think they should keep shoving this new art style down our throats (or eyes if you prefer) until we all accept it. Not to mention all this bullying going on towards the side against the art change. You guys refuse to argue directly with us and instead just address this collective group of "whiners" and "critics". I've only seen a few one-off comments that would qualify as being whiny or insulting towards obfuscobble. The vast majority of those who have expressed feelings of betrayal by the art change have done so with respect and have made very valid points. Those in favor of the art have, for the most part, failed to explain why the new art is an improvement other than "I like it" ,"It's better" or "I can tolerate it and I don't want to labeled a "whiner"".

The fan community of any work is supposed to speak up when they believe a change made to something they are passionate about has decreased the overall amount of enjoyment many derived from it. Can you imagine what would happen to some of our favorite franchises if it was considered rude or disrespectful to object to any choice made by those in charge?
Mr Pibbleton 2nd Jun 2011, 7:55 PM edit delete reply
Can you imagine what would happen to some of our favorite franchises if they were unchanging and stagnant?

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Bonz0 2nd Jun 2011, 8:01 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
That's not a fair comparison. Garfield was NEVER as awesome as Mushroom Go was.

It is, however, a good example of how an artist was able to improve and modify his own art to better fit the style of his own comic as he saw fit. Since he was in control of both the art and writing he could fluidly make garfield's transition from a more realistic looking cat to a more anthropomorphic, mobile and animated character that could more effectively interact with his environment. A change that meshed well with the comic's slapstick humor. It also resulted in a more marketable character.
Face 2nd Jun 2011, 8:16 PM edit delete reply
actually, i think that's a load of shit
Pinstripe 2nd Jun 2011, 8:18 PM edit delete reply
@Face
Now, now, that isn't necessary. We're all friends here.
Bonz0 2nd Jun 2011, 8:20 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
What an eloquently worded argument, face. It would be nice, however, for you to tone down the exposition. By elaborating on your statement so much you almost allow us to figure out who it is you are addressing and which of their statements you take offense with. And we can't have that, can we? Don't want to wear out the old noodle or typing appendages, right?
Quentin 2nd Jun 2011, 8:23 PM edit delete reply
Fun fact: Nobody takes you seriously, Bonz0. Nobody.
Pinstripe 2nd Jun 2011, 8:24 PM edit delete reply
You know what, let's all calm down a little. We're all fans of Mushroom Go, and we're all fans of Morgenstern. Those are two things we all have in common. I don't think anyone will leave if the art changes, or if it doesn't change. Can we agree on that? Morgenstern has an awful lot of pressure on him right now.
Bonz0 2nd Jun 2011, 8:29 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
You take that back right now Mr. Random Anonymous Poster! I'll not suffer such an affront to my honor! En Garde, villain!
Quentin 2nd Jun 2011, 8:31 PM edit delete reply
You may try to deflect it with humor, but it's true. Your hatred of change is a joke. People laugh at you in private. You try to talk to people as though they respect you, but they don't. No one does.
Pinstripe 2nd Jun 2011, 8:36 PM edit delete reply
Come on, guys. It's a webcomic, one we all enjoy. Criticizing it is cool, and having opinions is cool, but there's no need to hash it out like this. Getting personal does nothing except hurt feelings, including those of Morgenstern, who has to sit back and watch his fans scream at each other.
Bonz0 2nd Jun 2011, 8:41 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
I seem to have disturbed you on an extreme and highly intimate level, Quentin. I apologize for whatever I said that caused you to feel so compelled to post a comment on this webcomic for what I assume to be the first time.

It appears that I have somehow allowed this discussion to reach an extremely personal level. So I guess I should apologize for that as well.

At the risk of letting this conversation become even more insanely petty I would like to point out that by claiming I have a hatred of change you are using a straw man argument. This is an informal fallacy and is not especially appreciated in conversation, debate or argument of any type.
Quentin 2nd Jun 2011, 8:46 PM edit delete reply
I'm a regular poster on here. We've spoken before. I simply feel that your arrogant attitude and complete unwillingness to even consider any sort of change makes those of us in the Mushroom Go fandom who are actually socially adjusted and capable of thinking of things rationally look bad.

I'm using an anonymous name to avoid continuing drama here, and to point out that even among people who used to be on your side, you have become a joke, Bonz0. Please, try to take a step back and see what a self-parody you've become. It's embarrassing for all of us having you here.
Pinstripe 2nd Jun 2011, 8:48 PM edit delete reply
Can we all at least agree that this has become too personal, and we should all tone it down? Can everyone just agree to that?
Bonz0 2nd Jun 2011, 8:49 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Well I know I can, Pinstripe, but I can't speak for numbskull over there.
Quentin 2nd Jun 2011, 8:53 PM edit delete reply
I'll go back to using my regular name after this. I just felt it was important that someone tell Bonz0 how he's ruining to his own reputation.
Arrakis 2nd Jun 2011, 9:06 PM edit delete reply
Honestly, while he may have gone a tad too far, I am more impressed that Bonz0 is willing to stick up for his beliefs about the comic. I don't see how a honest debate can ruin someones "reputation", especially over a webcomic.
movethearmchair 2nd Jun 2011, 9:26 PM edit delete reply
movethearmchair
Morgenstern, i don't know if you have the power to do it, but i think it would be best for everyone to remove the comments feature. most web comics don't have comments (on the front page anyway) because anyone can be a tough guy online and any relevant argument is few and far between.

Either that or don't listen to anyone here. Not even me. Do what YOU want. It's YOUR comic. If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else.
Mr. Vareel 2nd Jun 2011, 10:47 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
I wonder how many people would be embarrassed if they found out their mother was reading these comments…
Haya 2nd Jun 2011, 11:02 PM edit delete reply
@ movethearmchair

Here! Here!

If morgenstern is struggling with art let him change it if it's something he was doing for the fans and has decided he is good enough again let him go back. Whatever he decideds it should be what he wants for his comic and the readers should be happy for him.
Hoy! Small Fry 2nd Jun 2011, 11:07 PM edit delete reply
Hoy! Small Fry
Oh my, did nobody read my comment? because what I described just got worse after I posted that... I think it looks like more people would be dissapointed with the new art rather than the old art. like I said before, the only way all of this will calm down is if Morgenstern chooses to continue drawing this himself. so my vote goes to the old art, not only because it is more fitting and all other reasons already stated, but to stop this war of comments and criticism
Hobojoe007 2nd Jun 2011, 11:16 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
WOW okay, first off, I back up Bonz0. he has the same right to bring up valid points about his opinion just like we all do! and about the comparing of this to Garfield. I am pretty sure that Jim Davis didn't hire an artist to draw his comics, no he improved it himself. Which is what Morgenstern has been doing. As I have said before, I understand why he did this, and think Obfuscobble is a great artist. I just don't want him drawing mushroom go
Pinstripe 2nd Jun 2011, 11:53 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe, this isn't against your point, but I'm pretty sure Davis hasn't actually been drawing Garfield since the '90s.

Small Fry, I agree we all need to calm down, but I don't think a big decision about the future of the strip should be made on the basis of whether or not it will be controversial. I think this bickering is ridiculous, but it's on us to stop that, not Morgenstern. I've been guilty of it too, I'll admit, which is why I'm going to try to be more civil and polite.
Al 2nd Jun 2011, 11:54 PM edit delete reply
"The vast majority of those who have expressed feelings of betrayal by the art change have done so with respect and have made very valid points."

Please explain to me how, exactly, changing the art for the comic is a betrayal of you personally.
Morgenstern 3rd Jun 2011, 12:11 AM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
Garfield kind of sucks, I think was the original point

The thing is that, as of this page (last page was a bit of a disaster) there's actually a large number of people that are very accepting or even preferring the new art; the people still in favor of the old style are definitely vocal, but by no means a majority.

Opinions aside, having someone do the art for me also makes my life a great deal easier. I've literally planned like three new chapters in the span of the last two weeks. I'm trying out new angles that I would have been afraid to before (knowing that Obfuscobble can probably fix anything that I make look dumb) and hesitating less to make scenes more elaborate.

Last page, the complaints were about the style not feeling the same; within a week, Obfuscobble has gotten incredibly close to that original style, and I don't think it'll take much more effort to really be hitting it. I do apologize for trying this out a few pages into the chapter (I wouldn't really say in the middle, as it's barely started); the thing is that I didn't want to wait four+ months to swing into the potential change, especially since the arcs are only going to grow in importance to the overall plot; I'd rather rip the bandaid off now, then further down the road when something really, really story critical is happening.

That, and even if I did wait until the very start of an arc, it would have been received with the same hostility and I'm not going to pretend that it wouldn't be. This would have seemed abrupt no matter when I did it.

Alot of people are saying it's a massive improvement while saying I should go back to drawing it myself and I barely understand that. I know alot of you feel betrayed that I'm suddenly sharing the weight on my shoulders, and I'm sorry for that... but I really don't know what else to say. The different art is A.) better, period, and B.) easier for me. Really, this week has been pretty stress free--less worrying about whether or not I can make the comic look like it's supposed to, less flak from critics... really, the only stressing out I've been doing is over whether or not I'm going to actually lose readers over a change that's mostly accepted as being better, albeit different.

Might actually try this a little longer.
Xander 3rd Jun 2011, 12:35 AM edit delete reply
You should stick with this a while onger. You are in the right to try and make it easier on yourself as stress is one leading cause to a comic slowly losing more and more until it disappears, and nobody wants that. I myself love the new look and look forward to Obfuscobble getting the tone and feel of the comic right (And especially with this update. Only minor corrections to make and its perfect!)
Mr. Vareel 3rd Jun 2011, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
@Morgenstern: ...I don't have anything positive to say about that, but I don't take change very well. Maybe I'll get used to it. But I'll miss the gritty look and sketchy lines. I always thought those were the best part.

Edit: That’s it! That’s what I have a problem with! The sketchy lines! Err…I mean the lack of sketchy lines. Λnybody else feel like this? Or am I just some crazy old…err…crazy not-old man? (Entirely possible.)
Haya 3rd Jun 2011, 4:31 AM edit delete reply
Good for you for doing what you want to do, Morgenstern! I'm a hundred precent behind ths comic whatever you want to do with it.

Bonz0 3rd Jun 2011, 5:24 AM edit delete reply
Bonz0
I never stated that I personally felt betrayed by this. How did you pull that from "The vast majority of THOSE who have expressed feelings of betrayal....."? I was clearly speaking of multiple people and I made no indication that I viewed myself as part of this group, AI. In fact I've probably been one of the harsher and least respectful amongst those against the change. It wouldn't be very fun if we were ALL respectful and mild-mannered.

Mr Pibbleton 3rd Jun 2011, 9:31 AM edit delete reply
Mr Pibbleton
How exactly claiming to be the least respectful and harshest in opposition to the art changes clear you from feeling personally betrayed? It's not like we rely on people stating their feelings with every post to determine their emotional state. If you don't want to be associated with a group, try not mentioning them as a justification or representing them, "Like Magravan said, some of us feel betrayed by this new art style. Do you think those people will continue to spread the word about Mushroom Go if the comic becomes something they do not like?"

If you make statements like that in support of your arguments, why would you be surprised if people linked you to those groups?
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Hobojoe007 3rd Jun 2011, 10:24 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
Do what you feel is best Morgenstern, but know that I am very dissaponted. A bunch of us were happy when we saw that you would be back this week, and the comments saying that it was better but still want your style were more than likley saying it was an improvement to the previous comic. Mushroom Go will definatley drop in my list of awesome things on the internet. I also hope you have read all of the points all of us against the change have made, and consider that. I will definitely be more accepting of this change, if Palma, Martello, and McCoy (haha he looks like an epic penguin here) looked as close to how you drew them as Guy does. I am really impressed when simplicity can still tell an epic story, which Is why I really liked your art, because it is less detailed. All in all I just don't want more weeks of trial and error, so someday when Obfuscobble draws the comics in a way that I don't complain about (which will more than likely happen) and I decide to go back and read through from the beginning, I don't stumble on these trial comics and go ACK!! WHAT WAS THIS!? Which makes me want to know, when obfuscobble finally pleases everyone, or most of us, with his work, do you think he could come back to these two (or three if next one is not much better) and re-draw them?

Also, It would seem that if you seriously can be writing the plot that fast, and if obfuscobble can draw comics in a way better than this one more than once a week. Then the comic could at least go back to updating twice a week, if not more.
Bonz0 3rd Jun 2011, 2:07 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
"How exactly claiming to be the least respectful and harshest in opposition to the art changes clear you from feeling personally betrayed?"

By reminding you that I do not view my comments as being 100% respectful I distance myself from the group I was speaking of. I was not mentioning those who feel betrayed as a justification and I was not trying to represent them. I was merely stating an observation. Why should pointing a fact out about one group link me to them?
corvuscorone68 3rd Jun 2011, 3:20 PM edit delete reply
erm actually my rhino-Ferrarri comment was addressed at the ppl who hated the comic BEFORE the art change, and also hated it regardless of the art used to depict the story, not any of us who comment here, and finally, IT WAS AN OPINION, i dun think stating my opinion makes me a king
MuchachoNL 3rd Jun 2011, 3:27 PM edit delete reply
As far as "pleasing everyone, if not most of us" go... That's impossible.
Morgenstern CAN NOT please every single reader, he just can't.
Every change will have its pro's and con's.
There's no way in satisfying everybody, only the ones who complain the hardest.
Giz & Dave from Eerie Cuties and Menage a 3 once did a change because readers were actually comparing a COMICAL character with a RAPIST.
I'm gonna set the scene while we're at it:
There was this magical orb that would change people's gender at first, but as the wielder wielded it more and more it fine-tuned to his desires.
So the orb turned everybody into vapid blonde lesbian cheerleaders.
2 characters were infected and by that change they wound up making out in front of him, which they wouldn't normally do.
A bunch of readers cried from the top of their lungs that that was a mental rape and that the character responsible should be on death row.
Because of those six whiners, the authors decided to change the picture to real cheerleaders going like "Give me a B, give me an L" etc, which pissed off everybody else.

Long story short: you can't please everybody, it's Morgenstern's webcomic, he should do with it whatever he damn well likes.
So what if a few of you will go away because of this.... there will be more to fill your place.
Muchacho NL 3rd Jun 2011, 3:32 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
Infected should be affected....
Mr. Vareel 3rd Jun 2011, 3:33 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
@Bonz0: ...I'm sorry, I got a little lost. Who exactly are you and whom exactly do you not represent again? ("Who exactly are you" is not to be confused with "Who the Hell do you think you are?", I'm just not sure who you say you are...or who you say you aren't...uh...I think my point has gotten through. If not, I'll try to rephrase it later.)
Bonz0 3rd Jun 2011, 4:15 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
I was talking to Pibbleton and AI, Vareel. I was saying that I was not trying to represent the views and opinions of those who are opposed to the art change and feel betrayed. My point was that I was stating an observation of their overall behavior.

I'm still Bonz0. Or, according to the mysterious Quentin (ARGH,just WHO is he!?), I am a self-parody of the figure Bonz0 once was.
DeadApple 3rd Jun 2011, 4:59 PM edit delete reply
DeadApple
Saturday will be a good day ^_^ regardless of who's drawing.
tutter 3rd Jun 2011, 6:09 PM edit delete reply
tutter
And now for something completely different... again.

Can't wait to see who sent these bob-ombs to fight... but how in the world does a bob omb drive a mecha... with it's feet? All though it does look like some of them can have arm attachments so maybe....

Anyways, back to getting onto topic about this offtopic topic. I was surprised when I saw the first of obfuscle's (never gonna spell it right)work. Indeed, before I read it I thought "Damn, give 'em a week and he pumps steroids into the quality." Then I saw your follow up post about hiring the big O. I had two worries at the time.

The first was that you were eventually going to run out of money and you'd have to cancel this project.

The Second was that he would never get the characters looking right (Even though I liked the look of the guys, I must agree it didn't fit the style of this comic).

Now here's the good part. I'll remind myself again that my opinion on the internet doesn't matter. Anyways, looking at this comic when I did, (which was on saturday when it came out), I saw martello and mccoy and instantly thought. "Damn, he fired Obfuscle." And then I thought, "Damn, give 'em a week and he pumps steroids into the quality." I seriously thought that it was you... just slightly better. I was slightly dissapointed to learn it wasn't you, but more then happy to learn that Obfuscus was getting... "better" (since that what everyone seems to call it). No offense to you Morgenstern, you're a good artist too, but Ob is better.

PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS NOT FITTING THE ART STYLE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND WATCH. Nothing more annoying then trying to watch a movie with a noisy crowd.

Morgenstern is doing something hard, and Obfuscle, wherever you are, you keep doing what you are doing. I hope you two continue to work together and make many long beautiful comics.

... And for every good there has to be a bad... so. I must agree that Palma looked like a piece of blue playdo that was barfed out by a kindergartener and then had some grass thrown on to it. Now when I looked at it today, I noticed that the picture had changed. She wasn't as... generous. Which helped a lot. dynamic arm could be in a better spot.

(the arms are way too short, and the elbow needed to be seen sticking out from behind the hand. Imagine if you were looking a T more or less witrh the hand being the bottom of it)

My biggest problem beyond that is with Go's eyes... they look too... big. I mean, in a cast of characters with small to no eyes, go's eyes already stood out. But it was ok. Now they look like they could fit someone's hand into them.

Alright. I'm done being negative. Had to force those nasty comments out.... Anyways, if I have one last message for you, it'd be this. Anyone who says that they were brought to this comic for the style are either: lying, crazy, or making up an excuse.
I came to this comic because I saw an advertisement and I was like "OMG those look like bad@$$ mario characters."
Personally, I'd be fine with out any art at all. The only style of yours that drew me to this was the writing style (and by that I mean the plot and story). I would have never thought of an enviornment or idea like this that is so off topic, or taboo from the general Mario universe to be THIS GOOD. So like I said. Keep On Keeping On.

Anyways, that's my second dose of five cents.
tutter 3rd Jun 2011, 6:22 PM edit delete reply
tutter
Oh yeah, one last thing. Those of you who are saying he should be able to go faster now that Ob is helping him, you don't understand the kind of stress one is put through when having to do something once a week. Let alone twice. Looking at the quality of his comics work, it was pretty obvious to see it was slowly deteriorating. Eventually we would all be watching ambiguous stick figures talking.

In other words, he's been driving his horse at a gallop for months. The horse just kicked the bucket and died. Now Ob has come along with a brand new horse. Now imagine this, this new horse has the same strength as the last horse does. If the last horse could make two comics, in one week with one rider, then how many comics would be appropriate for one week with two riders.

And Another Thing. I'm geussing our illustrator and story writer are not living together. So whenever they need to plan, they have to meet with each other, taking time out of a busy day to arrange story ideas, poses, character details, etc. If anything, he should be taking longer. I feel like he's still traveling at a faster rate then he should be.

The worst part of all though is that everyone was suggesting, just a few weeks ago, "You should slow down, update once I week." "I'd even support you if it was once a month... ok maybe not really but twice a week." And most horrifyingly contradicted, "You should hire an artist."

The last of those three quotes was abridged since there was a paragraph after wards trying not to insult morgenstern, while advertising that they should be picked for the job. I'm geussing they weren't which is why they are now so against the new artist idea all of a sudden.

Ok, back onto topic again. I thought someone was just being random when they mentioned that Guy was hiding behind Mccoy. I was like "Guy's not afraid of anything." But seeing him now... I'm not so sure.... Don't tell me Guy has a backstory!!! This is going to get good.
tutter 3rd Jun 2011, 6:25 PM edit delete reply
tutter
Ok, this is the third time I've touched this post, and hopefully the last. Everyone is saying they're going back to the first comic to remember the good all days.... DId anybody else notice that the way Go was looking at the ship gave the impression it was flying as opposed to surfing on or through the sand. If the Chainless was originally a flying ship, it would have been cool. But I think a sand shredder is definitely cooler.
Bonz0 3rd Jun 2011, 6:47 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
TOO MANY WORDS.
Muchacho NL 3rd Jun 2011, 7:38 PM edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
Bonz0, you might want to consider registering, cuz I feel your nick is being mocked atm.
Bonz0 3rd Jun 2011, 7:43 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
No...that was me. And I've been registered since February.
I was making a reference to Bowser's Inside Story, by the way.
Here's a rule of thumb you guys can go buy: If I say something that sounds stupid, excessively angry and hostile, or just plain out of character for me I'm probably making a joke or being sarcastic. Like how I called Quentin a numbskull right after Pinstripe asked us if we could both tone down the personal insults.

And if you're wondering whether someone is registered or if they're trying to impersonate somebody you can always just click on their name.
Haya 3rd Jun 2011, 8:24 PM edit delete reply
Haya
@ Tutter that Horse analogy is interesting and I think pretty acurate. I think this quite possibly is what is needed to prevent the crash and burn of Mushroom Go, and no matter what boat you're in over this you have to agree that no fan would want that.
Haya 3rd Jun 2011, 8:24 PM edit delete reply
Haya
@ Tutter that Horse analogy is interesting and I think pretty acurate. I think this quite possibly is what is needed to prevent the crash and burn of Mushroom Go, and no matter what boat you're in over this you have to agree that no fan would want that.
Evdog 3rd Jun 2011, 8:34 PM edit delete reply
Evdog
Jim davis gradually altered his artwork over a period of years:
Garfield
The left frame is fron the 80's and the right frame is from the 90's
Hoy! Small Fry 3rd Jun 2011, 8:44 PM edit delete reply
Hoy! Small Fry
Gadzooks! I just has an epiphatree! haha okay so I just had a awkward and silly analogy for this change. So recently my dad had to buy a new Dishwasher because our old one didn't work so well, it worked but not good enough. My dad really doesn't like the changes in the new one. but is is most definitely better and does the job better than ever. There are some small things that the old one could do better, i.e. the now one cant hold bows very well, but it can hold more dishes overall. I told my dad that it will just take a while to get used to, that the old one had been around for so long, that he was way too used to using it. Then it hit me! My opinion has been changed. Those of you who dont want the change, maybe you just need a while to adapt. I know its silly, but it really has a relation to this dilemma. Or maybe I'm just crazy!
Hobojoe007 3rd Jun 2011, 9:02 PM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
@Evdog yep, and he started like this
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Now see how it is little steps at a time. like fixing Jon's face so its not too tall, and making Garfield smaller before making him stand on two legs. We were seeing small changes in Morgenstern's work and it would just take a little while to make it better.
Madness 3rd Jun 2011, 11:33 PM edit delete reply
How wonderful for you, Morgenstern.
Despite the fact that I can actually count more people against the change still than for.
Despite the fact that I can find WAY more people criticizing the art than complimenting it.
Despite the fact that you are choosing the more lazy option over the narrower, more difficult path; the character building path; the path that will certainly make you more recognized than the other.
Still.
Congrats.
Well, I promised that I wouldn't post on this page, and I broke that promise. Maybe I can make it up to you by never breaking another promise again.
Fortunately, for my eyes and precious time, I seem to remember also promising to leave and never look back if you made this art permanant.
I've got nothing against change, and I have nothing against the artist.
I just hate the art.
I might see you later, but hopefully not.
Madness/Mythus out.
Madness 4th Jun 2011, 12:33 AM edit delete reply
I don't want to leave things on a bad note, I could never make a very good troll. So, I'm sorry about my tone in my last note, even though I don't want to take back everything I said. I AM happy for you, Morgenstern, I'm just too sad for the old art to show it completely. This is your comic and I need to respect that. And I don't really hate the art. This person is a very good artist, even if I don't feel like I can say anything more about it. I DO hope to see you again, naturally, and even though I don't feel like I have any right to post again, so neither will Mythus. As I leave, I wish you luck, humble viewers, positive reviews, helpful critiques, and a great quantity of each.

I am sorry.
Madness 4th Jun 2011, 12:37 AM edit delete reply
I wish I could make my second post stand out more than my first one. The second is how I really feel and the first isn't. Why do people take negative more seriously than positive?
BlueMario 4th Jun 2011, 10:52 AM edit delete reply
I'm a major Garfield fan, and I do not appreciate his good name bien insulted. It's a good slapstick comic, it's just that slapsick's not for everybody.

also, @Pinstripe
Davis does still draw the comics, he just no longer inks or colors them.
He also does all of the text himself, by hand. A Font has even BEN BASED OFF OF HIS HANDWRITING!(Comics Sans MS)