79. Very much not uncommon
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Morgenstern 20th May 2011, 9:06 PM edit delete
Morgenstern
I figured since I posted the last couple of pages late, I might go ahead and post this one a little early. So, first and foremost, before I start ranting: massive thanks to Obfuscobble for doing the art on this one.

And as for the big news type business--well, this isn't a guest strip. It's more like... I dunno, a test strip. This is probably going to be a long term thing. And by probably I mean "I am now paying Obfuscobble to draw me comics"

I had a really long week, let's... kinda put it that way. I've stared down the barrel of heavy criticism quite a few times--run ins with 4Chan, Bad Webcomics Wiki, and more recently SomethingAwful (but I'll get to that in a second). I've come out realizing that my comic has alot of potential to be something big--not just big, but big-big. Like, someone on ScrewAttack put Mushroom Go in the same sentence as 8-Bit Theatre and Brawl in the Family, and that kind of blows my mind.

But I kind of felt like the artwork has been holding the comic back a little, and that's something I wanted to see alleviated. Really, I'd considered hiring an artist before the comic ever started, but I was sort of dejected (and broke) at the time. The comic has some writing issues here and there, but it's mostly stupid mistakes where I know better but get in a hurry or decide to be lazy (and for that I apologize); the art... well, I'm decent, but I think this comic deserves better than decent. I can fix alot of the writing problems by just being less of a jerk; the art issue required something a little more dramatic, which I think this is.

Anyway, for those of you that missed it: The Pinstripe/Catling Power Hour did a stream reading of Mushroom Go. I went into it scared out of my mind, thinking that they were going to hate it and rip my face off (the rest of my week had sort of been like that), but they actually enjoyed the comic and I actually enjoyed the stream. It was fun and I legitimately laughed at alot of the commentary. And, it was through the stream chat that I found the new artist. So... yeah.

Also, I'm probably going to A-Kon! Not like as a guest or anything, I mean I'm just like... buying a ticket and going. I'm probably going to pamper myself up like some dirty advertisement tramp and try to skank my comic out to passersby, so if you're going and you see a guy dressed up like Go being escorted out by security...

Well, feel free to stop and say hi.



I'm pretty tired, for the record, so I expect this to be one of those rants that I read later and go "Why did I type this? WHAT WAS I THINKING"

0ldCore 20th May 2011, 9:12 PM edit delete reply
0ldCore
Wow! Nice artwork! This is wayy better!
Scimok 20th May 2011, 9:17 PM edit delete reply
Scimok
Yeah, this looks... really, really, excellent.
Chalay 20th May 2011, 9:23 PM edit delete reply
I really enjoyed your style of drawing. It was cartoon-ish, but that's what I liked about it. This style is still cool, too, though.
Muramune 20th May 2011, 9:29 PM edit delete reply
I've been reading your comic for a few months now and I want to tell you that you're doing excellently. Heck, let's see these critics make a webcomic even half as good as this. Keep up the good work, man!
Cammiluna 20th May 2011, 9:42 PM edit delete reply
Cammiluna
It was your bold art style that first attracted me to this comic.

I like this art, too. I love them both. It's not my place to tell you what to do, but I see good futures for this comic no matter what you decide.

I still have some catching up to do before I'm fully up to date, but awesome job. Even if Obfuscobble does all the art from now on, it'll be a great collab with your writing and characters!
derpfan 20th May 2011, 9:42 PM edit delete reply
that is just
hngh
switching styles give a whole different feel to this comic
it just, really doesnt feel the same
this is disapointing
Stinkosar 20th May 2011, 9:47 PM edit delete reply
Listen, I like you.
And the comic.
Your art style, I loved it.
Now...I can't see the comic the same anymore.
I miss the old art style.
...I am sad.
Mitchee 20th May 2011, 9:53 PM edit delete reply
*looks at old comics*
*crys*
Delta Pangaea 20th May 2011, 9:56 PM edit delete reply
Myeah...

To be honest, I preferred your art style. It grew with the series, and this just feels... off.

Besides, art is HARDLY the sort of thing that holds a comic back.
Lukkai 20th May 2011, 9:56 PM edit delete reply
While I really liked the old style - it wasn't bad at all and was very unique - I do like the new one as well.

BUT. I'll have to admit, it will take some time (read comics) to get used to it.
Ish 20th May 2011, 10:00 PM edit delete reply
I support your move 100% and I fully believe that this comic can become as big as Brawl In The Family or 8-Bit Theatre. Good luck! I hope you continue to be successful.
Ish 20th May 2011, 10:03 PM edit delete reply
I'm also very excited to see how the other characters look with this new art style. I think it looks awesome.
Gupy 20th May 2011, 10:13 PM edit delete reply
This new art style is pretty Great! I understand your feelings in this, My drawing skills are pretty lame in comparison to the Girl i worked with to illustrate my stories. Same thing with animation really, I suck at everything but writing apparently.

Sometimes you need help, I support your decision to find a New artist for the comic if you have enough profit to afford one.

Your own art isn't really that bad, It had character and worked for me. Its by no means as polished and refined as this though. I support you 100%, I hope this spells out a new wonderful world for Mushroom Go. <3
Guest 20th May 2011, 10:21 PM edit delete reply
Your old style rocked but you had to move on. You made a choice. And I am with you.
Cassiopia 20th May 2011, 10:22 PM edit delete reply
Cassiopia
... I hate this.
I really do.
fucking ustream.
don't get me wrong, the art is fine just not...
unique
or interesting
or playful
or fun
or creative
it's so... normal. competent, but not engaging. dead.
Evdog 20th May 2011, 10:50 PM edit delete reply
Evdog
This is...different. Personally, too different for my tastes.
The new style is wonderful, as many have said, but the sudden change makes it feel...out of place - not like Mushroom Go.

It makes me think of this: http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2008/05/05/005-hdf/
Morgenstern 20th May 2011, 10:59 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
I'm going to wait and gauge some more responses, but this is still very much in the tentative phase.
Krimzon_Hammer 20th May 2011, 11:05 PM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer
@Morgenstern
I agree with the others that your art fits the comic more(and looks great), but i see what your saying. you don't want your story to have to wait for your art to get to the point where you think it's good enough, and it will give you more time to perfect your story. i support your choice.

PS Megatokyo took about 10 years to get to where it is now.
Bonz0 20th May 2011, 11:16 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
I am disappoint.

Fucking ustream is right, Cassiopia. I agree with you completely. When I saw that pic of deformed, "pretty", sparkly McCoy I thought:
"That's a little more detailed than Morgenstern's work, but it's nowhere near as cool and badass. Good thing HE doesn't draw Mushroom Go! Right? ....RIGHT?"

This new art style....eugh. It's so friggin generic. It's too colorful. It's too sparkly. It's too realistic. It's too pretty.

So many things wrong. It offends my eyes on so many levels. Why is there a troll there making--oh god, that's supposed to be a goomba, isn't it?

That girl with the helmet...oh no...that's Martello, isn't it? But why is she all....like THAT? Why is she all like that?

These don't even look like MARIO characters anymore. They look like generic fantasy RPG characters. I knew that the instant I saw Obfuscuffle's McCoy pic. It didn't look like a member of the Raven species from Mario. It looked like a birdman from a game like Shining Force. If I saw these characters anywhere else I would have ABSOLUTELY no idea they were supposed to be based on Mario characters.


I can't be the only one here who'd rather have one awesome, great quality comic drawn by Morgenstern every week or two than 2 generic, ill-fitting obfuscuffle comics a week.

@Gupy
"Polish". "Refinement". Such things do not matter at all if you do not like the product to begin with. I'll take unpolished and unrefined art with some character, originality and fun over dead, soulless art with hours upon hours of polish any day.
Madness 20th May 2011, 11:17 PM edit delete reply
No offense meant to the artist you're paying, but I like your art much, much better, Morgenstern. I don't mind waiting for strips, but if this becomes the current art, I'll most likely stop reading.
Captain Cupcake 20th May 2011, 11:23 PM edit delete reply
I don't think this art is bad. Let me say that first and foremost. But I will agree with a lot of the previous comments in that it doesn't really fit. I really like your art, and I feel like this new style doesn't fit it anymore. Watching your writing, story, *and* art grow together was a large part of what makes this comic what it is. While I understand what you were trying to go for, I don't think this is the right move. I think your art really made this stand out. This new art style, while again is well made and clearly has talent behind it, doesn't pop as much as yours did. Now of course you're going to do whatever you like, but I at least wanted to make my vote made. That being said, the comic is great, and I'll continue to read regardless of the direction you choose.

On a closing note, its "A lot", not "Alot". Saw that mistake in one of the early comics as well. Really not trying to bash, but to help. I'd love to see this get big, and I'd hate to see it get held back by something as stupid as some grammar nazi deciding not to take it for its true value based on something as simple as that. =P
Magravan 20th May 2011, 11:29 PM edit delete reply
Magravan
No disrespect to that Obfuscuffle, because I think that they are a fantastic artist, and I think that the people who are calling it soulless and whatever else are ... well, they are basically bashing it because it's not yours.

If this were a guest strip, and not fishing out for a potential new artist, I'm sure that everyone would have loved it. It is great art, no doubt about it, and I am impressed with it.

That being said, one of my favourite parts about webcomics is the organic feel of seeing the creator develop and try new things. If this was your work after you worked to improve and there was a clear progression, I'm sure that people would stick around with it... But I think that I am not completely off-base to say that your readers feel a little betrayed by this.

That being said, ultimately, it is your comic, and if you believe that this is going to make the difference between being successful or not, I hope it works out for you...

I just think that you'd be better off spending the time to improve your art while maintaining the role of artist. It might take longer to get to where you want to be, but I think that you'll enjoy it more than getting there now as the Writer of Mushroom Go.
FuzzyZergling 20th May 2011, 11:30 PM edit delete reply
First of all, this is your comic and you can do whatever you want with it.
Having said that, I prefer your art over this other person's. I can't even tell Martello's a Koopa!
infinity6 20th May 2011, 11:37 PM edit delete reply
AAAAAAAH! ive been reding this for EVER. LOVEIT. the new drawing style is soooo boring. its just too good a story AND drawing style to be wasted on something that doesnt compliment it right. just my opinion.
Tommo 20th May 2011, 11:38 PM edit delete reply
As soon as I really start getting into your art style you ruin it. Your old style was pure AWESOME but this just doesn't suit the comic. PLEASE redraw this Morgenstein.
Bonz0 20th May 2011, 11:39 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
We're not calling it soulless because it's not Morgenstern's. We're calling it soulless because it doesn't fit the SPIRIT of Mushroom Go. The characters don't look like Mario characters, the art style doesn't fit the gruff, desert theme of the story, etc.

Ok, so maybe we should be calling it "Spiritless" instead. Doesn't roll off the tongue quite as nicely though.
Infinity6 20th May 2011, 11:41 PM edit delete reply
PS the old bob ombs are waaay cooler.
Xiphos 20th May 2011, 11:42 PM edit delete reply
Nope. This is your project, and you were doing fantastically...art, writing, everything. I agree with the above, that watching your progress from the beginning was one of the most awesome things about Mushroom Go. You've got a growing fan base that loves the comic just the way it is, and will support you totally...whether in the face of critiques by trolls or possible update interruptions inevitable when running a one-person operation. We've got your back, so don't go losing confidence in your abilities now!

By the same token, being your project, you have the right to go whatever direction you think is right. Although us long-term fans might bemoan the new look (shiny but with less character, I agree) we'll still come back and visit.
edi-san 21st May 2011, 12:03 AM edit delete reply
edi-san
The nice thing about having someone work with/for you, is that you can get them to change to fit what you think needs to be done.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:05 AM edit delete reply
I actually like the new art style. Sure, it isn't the same as your old style, but I think this has the potential to be great. The decision is ultimately up to you, but I love this comic and a change in art styles isn't going to deter me from reading it. The story is what really counts.
E 21st May 2011, 12:10 AM edit delete reply
Why would you even bother changing? Like many others have said, your form of art, even though you say it "holds the comic back," does quite the opposite. I've been reading this from right before the piranha plants, an I have to say your rough style of art was the souls of the comic. It was different, unique, awesome; take your pic. This new style of art isn't bad, it isn't for this comic. That wasn't Martello, that was perhaps Peach deciding to play dress up. I didn't even realize those things in the first panel were goombas until I read a comment that said it took a while for them to realize they were. And the bob-oms...

Bring back your old work, your entertaining lines, your spirit of the comic! Otherwise, there is nothing different from the other over dramatized fantasy comics, and no point for many of us to read any more. It's just not the same.

In simple terms: your art was good. Bring it back or we leave.
Gadon 21st May 2011, 12:14 AM edit delete reply
Ugh... Why did you change? This new art is awful. I don't know how many times I've seen martello's look somewhere else. It's just cliche, and absolutely horrendous. If this is the future of the comic, I'm leaving.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:15 AM edit delete reply
The story is still good, but if we wanted a story we'd pick up a book. The art an the story together is what makes a comic. And let's say this: your art made this comic. I highly doubt I'll be coming back if this is the future of Mushroom Go.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
dont keep this art!!!!!! Bring bak the old stuff!!!!
Laura 21st May 2011, 12:18 AM edit delete reply
I have to say I was dissapointed when you didnt post a new comic Wednesday, but I was utterly shocked by this new version. Bring back your old style or, like many others here, I'm leaving.
B 21st May 2011, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
I came for the concept; I stayed for the story. I love the idea of personifying the Mushroom Kingdom. Your art helped bridge that gap. I now think you should move on. That is because I want to see the hot version of Koopa girl every week. She is hot now. Thanks for that.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
I know it's your project, but this new stuff isn't the art of mushroom go, it's the art of some RPG guide. Go doesn't deceive this ****.
Me 21st May 2011, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
I don't know about the style, it's still good but i kinda prefer the old one cause its unique and it makes the story more consistent and i'm also more used to it. Maybe you can use the artworks in flashbacks, considering that there appear to be more in this arc? Or is that too cliche?

Still, that's just my opinion.

P.S. I don't think this style makes the bob-ombs look as, as Palma calls it, "Cute"
Grimlock13 21st May 2011, 12:25 AM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
It's good looking, no doubt about it.

It's actually an awesome looking page.

But, like many other said before, it's different from what you use to do. It doesn't have the same feeling. Maybe you could create some reference sheet of the characters with him. That way, you could have them look more like your characters. I would still read it with that new design, but I'll miss the old style.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:26 AM edit delete reply
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Guest 21st May 2011, 12:27 AM edit delete reply
Sorry. That was suppose to be a thumbs up but it failed. I agree with you all the way, bonz0.
Bonz0 21st May 2011, 12:33 AM edit delete reply
Bonz0
@B
You love the idea of personifying the Mushroom Kingdom, eh? Well, how can you love this new art style then? So far none of the characters (including the fanart pic of McCoy) look ANYTHING like anthropomorphic Mario characters. Ravens are birdmen without their iconic eyes and beaks. Goombas are trolls without their rounded, bald heads. Koopas are exactly the same as humans with a slight yellow tint to their skin.

Also? She's not more attractive in this art style. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:35 AM edit delete reply
What the hell is this shit?!? This aint Mushroom Go, This is something that deserves to be destroyed!
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
Bonz0 has represented me in many of my opinions as well. I wont come back unless the art goes back. I was dissapointed wednesday, but it was nothing compared to the hurt i felt today at seeing this art. I don't mind waiting another day, or going back to once a week updates, as long as I've got my good old mushroom go. This new stuff belongs in the recycle bin.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:42 AM edit delete reply
@B

If you wanna, go find that "hot Koopa chick" somewhere else. That abomination is just a hyped up RPG guide cover art star with a shell hiding the eyes and shoulders. It's not Martello, and it's not morgensten. **** you.
AJ 21st May 2011, 12:45 AM edit delete reply
It's a fine art direction, but I share similar sentiments already said. Mushroom Go had its own unique feel, its own style. If you feel bogged down with other commitments, it's OK! We will eagerly await when you have the time to put your own unique touch to your creation.

On the style here: It's a nice direction, but I'm hesitate on where it could go. Now that I actually see it now, the guys in the first panel are actually goombas! huh? the Bob-ombs look excellent, but I'll have to see the other characters depictions before I can give my final rating.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:45 AM edit delete reply
A plan? Ha! The only thing this version of Martello is capable of doing is ****ing. Our Koopa with the brains, the wit, the interesting backstory is replaced by this *****? willingly too? Good thing the rapture is tomorrow!
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:47 AM edit delete reply
If this is where the comic is going, I'm gone.
Mr Pibbleton 21st May 2011, 12:53 AM edit delete reply
I too fear change in all of its forms, now that a character is drawn thinner, it clearly is only suitable for sex. This comic is doomed to degenerate into a time traveling incest themed mockery of itself. I shall now commit seppuku in response to this slight upon my personal honor which is this art change. Whatever happened to constructive criticism?
Grimlock13 21st May 2011, 12:53 AM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
(this is a comment about the story)
Why don't they simply remove the explosives for their body, that way they won't risk to explode and they will have access to a good quantity of high explosive that they could use against their opponents.
Guest 21st May 2011, 12:58 AM edit delete reply
The new style isn't bad per se...

You were just compared with 8-Bit Theater, and Brawl in the Family. For your overall work, including your Art style. 8-Bit was done using sprites from when?

Yeah, your artstyle is fine.

Besides, this Marello is, well...

If she starts sparkling I'm finding a stake. One that will go through koopa shell.
Lj_nick 21st May 2011, 1:00 AM edit delete reply
This new style of art is very pretty and sparkly, but as many of the other people have said I prefer your old art style. Your art style suits the comic and story better, maybe it's not as pretty or "polished" as Obfuscobble's art but it was as others kept on saying the "soul" of the comic. It was what made Mushroom Go, Mushroom Go, you put your soul into it. And in all reality without your art the comic looses that something which made it so good. And it will continue to grow and become big big if you keep on drawing it yourself. Your artistic skill may be decent, I would say it's good, but your right it's not great though if you keep at it it'll get there. Your artistic skill wasn't what brought us and kept us here it was your artistic style, please don't take that away from your comic.
Pinstripe 21st May 2011, 1:01 AM edit delete reply
I'm probably not very popular here, so I won't bother you with my opinion on the new art style (it's fantastic, though I do wish Martello were more muscular). But this is addressed to the guest five posts up: I don't know if you're trolling but that's no excuse for what you're saying, which is that a woman can either be sexy or be useful. Please, try to criticize the new art on its merits alone, without projecting your own bias onto the characters.
Morgenstern 21st May 2011, 1:04 AM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
Alright.

I did say it was a test strip, and it is definitely that. I wanted to gauge reactions, and reactions so far have been... well, pretty vocal.

I think we're probably going to try one more of these, just to give it time to sink in, let emotions simmer a little, let initial reactions get out of the way. Alot of you are making very valid points, but some of these reactions are coming off as maybe a little instinctively hostile.

On that note: criticism is welcome and I do want to hear what you think, though I think some of these statements could be made with a little less bile. I appreciate that you feel very strongly about this; however, obfuscobble is a human being just like I am, and some of this feels just a little like attacks against him and his abilities on a personal level.

I've had some pretty... uncouth criticism levied toward me, and alot of you have supported and defended me in those moments. I don't really want to see some of the same people turn around and act like this other person is the disembodied concept of change itself, perfectly safe to just completely rip apart and spit upon.

I mean, keep telling me if you don't like it, just don't take every last inch of hatred for this experiment out on the artist.

All that being said, I'm having my doubts that this is gonna take (for obvious reasons). Next Saturday's will likely be another one drawn by obfuscobble just to give this a fair shake, but like I said, this is by no means guaranteed permanent change forever. Just trying something new here, that's all. (don't kill me)
Bonz0 21st May 2011, 1:06 AM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Honestly, Pibbleton, I'm not upset at all with the way obfuscuffle draws Martello thinner. It's the "pretty" hair that bothers me. The badass pirate captain should not be spending a hour every morning making sure her hair is just right.

Plus, it hides her Koopa ears. Which brings me back to my "not looking like Mario characters" point.
Morgenstern 21st May 2011, 1:09 AM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
To be fair, I don't think any of the Koopas originally had pointy ears

It's less "looking like Mario characters" and more "looking like it has previously looked in Mushroom Go"

Which is still a valid complaint, though.
Zephirot93 21st May 2011, 1:19 AM edit delete reply
Zephirot93
The cartoony feel of your style kinda gave it it's essence. Sorry, but I don't like that much as your old style :/
Grumbly 21st May 2011, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
Ok I respect the fact that this is your webcomic and all but I have to say this in my honest opinion the new art isn't right, more specifically the goombas and Martello hurt my brain, I could probably get used to it and hope I do. Once again I respect the fact that this is your webcomic and this is just my opinion.
Krimzon_Hammer 21st May 2011, 1:29 AM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer
The new art is good but i think most peoples problem is how the characters seem to to look different. I agree doing it again next Saturday is a good idea and maybe with some other characters. After everybody cools off a bit you may get a different reactions.
Sangheili 01 21st May 2011, 1:31 AM edit delete reply
Sangheili 01
I love the style!!!
Indeed it looks pretty dramatic hehehehe

Actually I don't even bother to read the other comments but I'm sure that more than one is very disappointed heh.

I think that no one can tell you what is better for your projects and I believe that every change happen for something bigger and better.

The things that I could say are:

This is not the last work of your life is it? so you could experiment with it (Keeping your draws or changing them) but you got to decide what you're going to achieve with this (just improving your writing skills or the drawing and writing ones). I mean I would prefer to improve drawing skills if I were a comic artist (Cause sometimes it's in your hands were the soul of YOUR story lies) or just write a book to get the most experience to learn more about storytelling.

All of this is up to you and I cannot say if this kills or revives your work (And it is like when a band or musician change something of his music, like members of the party or the genre of the new disc. but all of this is part of been human: we are always changing), but definitely I hope this lead you to something better and better every time.

I'm still hook to the story and by this I expect the storytelling to improve hohohoho so good luck and I wish you Success!

Also Have a nice day ^^
Xander 21st May 2011, 1:34 AM edit delete reply
*Blinks* A-Kon.....*Goes to his Closet of Many Things to retrieve devious things*
Sangheili 01 21st May 2011, 1:36 AM edit delete reply
Sangheili 01
Seriously . . . could you upload a preview of the look of the main characters? it wold be pretty interesting

and . . . .ammmm those bigeyebrowlikenightelven guys are goombas?
Morgenstern 21st May 2011, 2:04 AM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
Yeah, they're Goombas.

I'll see if obfuscobble can do anything in the way of a cast picture next time I E-mail him. I imagine it'll be a long conversation.
sky 21st May 2011, 2:17 AM edit delete reply
i like it even though it looks different things change, krimzon_hammer has a good point and i support u to^^ but of all things SADNESS KICK XD
Torint 21st May 2011, 2:22 AM edit delete reply
I could get used to this art style, though I can't say I approve of the way Martello is standing. Nobody stands like that. But I definitely see potential there. Also, Morgenstern, you should try to remember to stop apologizing on the front page like this. You are on the internet now, and can look as confident as you want to.
Chat Lag Ate My Message 21st May 2011, 2:36 AM edit delete reply
Chat Lag Ate My Message
Awwww...I'll miss the old style. I really liked your style. Not saying this is bad, but it's just not the same. I do like how the goombas were rendered, and Martello in the last panel. Man. I'm just gunna miss the old style. Good luck with getting it to progress up the ranks. :)
CMP 21st May 2011, 3:05 AM edit delete reply
Like what practically everyone is saying, I don't feel like the new art really fits. The goombas don't look like goombas, they look more like some form of ogre. Martello the person who we've come to see as this tough and rugged soldier doesn't keep any of her old essence. Now don't get me wrong Obfuscobble is a great artist but I feel like he wasn't able to capture the original feel of the characters, at least for Martello, and that's an extremely important factor when making an art transition. One of the most distinct feature about this new Martello is the hair, it doesn't seem to fit her at all. I mean Martello is someone who wouldn't obsess over her looks and yet her hair appears as if she would.

Well, that was just my two cents. It's your comic so you have the right to decide what to change but don't take the comments of people on sites like 4chan so seriously, your fans enjoy your work and in the end that's what really matters.
Lobo 21st May 2011, 5:03 AM edit delete reply
I LOVE THIS SO MUCH <3

But I understand the criticism.

How about you take it in turns with the new art and drawing it yourself? It gives you a break from all the drawing, and it shines a new light on the characters.

I think if every other week or so, you drew the comic, it would be fantastic.

Keep up the amazing work!
Kbman 21st May 2011, 5:20 AM edit delete reply
Well this is... Different. Not necessarily better, but not worse either. It looks more... Polished. Like if you took the old art and buffed off all the scribbley lines.

One thing I've always thought about webcomics is that the Writing is a thousand times more important than the art. Look at XKCD or some of the older stuff over at MSPaint Adventures. They're insanely popular, yet use art on par with kindergarteners. Contrast those against Moon Over June. (that one's NSFW, careful) The art is pretty decent, but the extremely feminist writing can offend actual feminists.
Basically, keep writing well, and you'll be huge.

Also, Martello would NEVER look like that last panel. I can understand wanting to make the females pretty, but that pose and her hair just seem to grind against her character.

Can't wait until the next update, especially with the new artist.
Spinnerlink 21st May 2011, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
Spinnerlink
Well you changed your style...
As most people here i miss your old one.
This new style is really good, but it just feels like a diffrent comic with it.
Although this artist might just need time to get used to drawing for mushroom go.
I want to ask if occasinaly, you will still draw us a comic.
Evdog 21st May 2011, 6:30 AM edit delete reply
Evdog
Have you asked Obfuscobble if he could try to imitate your style more? If he did (and did it well), it may be able to keep the same original feel, whilst being more detailed.

The Chainless Crew need to look like pirates, 'cause that's what they ARRRRRRRR! :P
vash_ts 21st May 2011, 6:31 AM edit delete reply
I like´d more the old style, it was YOUR stile
DChan 21st May 2011, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
the new style dose indeed look very nice, I wondered upon your webcomic probably quite a few months back and have been watching it since.

Now then I actually enjoy the older style of drawing better, it had a bit more feeling in it then this one dose. However the artist is probably rather new at it and maybe if s/he could work it a bit they can make it a bit better I don't know...

personally I say it's up to you fully I loved the old artwork and story, and I'll still be reading the story even if the artwork changes.

Mind it's probably better if the art is a little bit different like some others have said it really looks more like an RPG game like it is now.

Though personally I think I got a lot more feeling outta your work then the new work but... It's also you and your time, I'll admit though I would be willing to wait for months for a new update with your art to so....

in the end it's up to you.
Domoviye 21st May 2011, 7:14 AM edit delete reply
I like the style, and if you make another webcomic please use it as it is very nice.
For this comic however, please return to the old look.
The Captain currently looks like some ordinary lady wearing a turtle hat. The original style was unique and suited the comic much more.
Good try, and definitely usable in other comics, but not this one.
MissRatty 21st May 2011, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
The art is nice, but I prefer the old style. It's what brought me here in the first place and then the characters and storyline kept me hooked. :)

I will keep reading and support you in whatever choice you make, but I thought I might just add my 2c opinion.

You have a really cool and unique style! :)
brawl 21st May 2011, 7:33 AM edit delete reply
brawl
I've read the coments so far, but never lost my main orginal thought:

Part of the reason your comic became so big, is because, for better or worse, people seriously enjoyed your style of drawing. It may not work well in other settings, but it was perfect here.

Seriously though, if you DO end up making the change, I'll still follow you. HOWEVER people enjoy this comic, not only for the writing, but for the art it had.

Face it Morgenstern, people started to follow this comic because they adored your art, your writing, and most importantly; YOU.

A fan who will never stop enjoying YOU.

-Brawl
basmith0 21st May 2011, 8:25 AM edit delete reply
basmith0
I've been following Mushroom Go since almost the beginning. I'm usually to lazy to login and post under the name IndiePoser. If you take anything away from all of these posts Morgenstern, it should be that you have some extremely passionate fans that love your work. Your art grew on us because it was something unique in the world of webcomics. Just know that many of us will continue supporting you even if Martello does turn into Sailor Moon.
Yoshi 21st May 2011, 8:52 AM edit delete reply
Yoshi
Hm. This is pretty good, but I do see where the old style might be preferred. Sure, the art looks great, but the old style gave a unique flavor. I say run with this for a few weeks, at least.
noone 21st May 2011, 8:58 AM edit delete reply
Those people who are getting on your case about your art style will get on your case for anything. Come on, you don't really take 4chan, bcw, or SA seriously do you? These people will attack you for this too, saying that you can't do your own work\you're a coward for bucking under pressure\etc. They're TROLLS. They don't give a shit about your work, they just want to find any reason to attack it.
infinity6 21st May 2011, 8:58 AM edit delete reply
@brawl

i totally agree. with everything. very poetic
FWTrump 21st May 2011, 9:05 AM edit delete reply
While this person is a good artist, it just doesn't feel like it goes with Mushroom Go. I personally, like many others, prefer your artstyle. I really don't think your art style would hold the comic back, if you honestly believe that. However, if you feel like having an other artist is necessary, well there's nothing we can do about it. It is your comic, and you did have a bit of rough patch keeping up the schedule lately. The two biggest things that destroys a webcomic are harsh self-critisms and just being burned out. If you need another artist, then you do. If you don't, then you don't.
Marcus 21st May 2011, 9:07 AM edit delete reply
Your art style is what brought us in. If you feel your art style is 'holding you back' than carry ahead WITH that weight as you move foreward.

Your art style will evolve.

F*ck those other guys.
Metal D. Rose 21st May 2011, 9:08 AM edit delete reply
Metal D. Rose
I have to say I hope you continue doing the comics in your own style. While the art in this one is cool, Martello... looks like a damsel in distress. :s

I don't want to see what the others look like if that's how Martello is drawn.
Cemix 21st May 2011, 9:32 AM edit delete reply
To be absolutely honest, this art style turned me off... I really had grown attached to the original style, and loved it's rough edges... I personally was going to try and do something similar bud different when making my own web comic, because to me, it was the best style in any web comic I've seen yet. It is your web comic, and you are the one to control all this. But if you are seeing the positive and negative comments and noting them down, please put me in the negative side. Either way, I'll still keep reading, but this are just seems off...
The Good Wario 21st May 2011, 9:33 AM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
Uh...

I dont know how to say this...

I personally don't like it for a few reasons

1. Sudden, the change was sudden, and i was confused at the start of the comic.
2. I liked the older style better because the stories were of a "Mushroomy Kingdom" (Brawl Reference) and the art complemented your stories
3. After seeing the new Sahsa Martello, i am worried about the new looks of Go, Guy, McCoy and the Pinta's name that i cant remeber right now.

I am not a comic artist, i am a budding writer, but this change may have took some of the "personality" of the comic
Knoppe 21st May 2011, 9:57 AM edit delete reply
As many other people have said before me, i don't like this new style as much as before.
One of the big reasons i was drawn to your comic was the style.
Fortis 21st May 2011, 10:25 AM edit delete reply
First off, let me say this. 4-chan is the biggest cesspool of trolls and idiots in the internet. Never take anything they say seriously. I've only heard of Something Aweful, and never heard of Bad Webcomics Wiki, so I don't know what they're all about. They sound like a magnet for bashers and such though, and just the names tell me they're websites for just that. Criticism is all they do. And like you said, other people enjoyed your strip, and more than you think. Look at all the lurkers who came out of the woodwork over this. (I admit, lurking is a habit of mine too.) And I'll check out that Pinstripe, Catling power hour thing.

As for the art, its your comic, and whatever you decide to do, I'll support it and keep on reading. However, while Obfuscobble's art is good, I have to agree with some of the others in voicing that it's rather generic. I've seen lots of anime style art and comics, but only one that looked like Mushroom Go. That being Mushroom Go. I've always liked your art, and thought it to be quite fitting, rough style for a comic about a rough band of sand pirates in a rough desert. The glittering pretty girl look doesn't really mesh well with what I know about the captain. She's fine being plain looking, not bad, but just plain, as it strikes me that she'd be one to favor practicality, ability, and the capacity to kick ass over beauty.

Just as an aside, if you think the comic deserves better art, I feel you might be cheating yourself out of the chance to improve your own skills to the task. Looking back, I can see definite improvement from the first strips of the comic to the more recent ones. Don't give up. If you feel you need to hurry or rush too much, or are just too lazy to do twice a week, I'm fine with you taking the time to do just one a week again.
NotJoe 21st May 2011, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
NotJoe
I'll just say I preferred the original style and leave it at that.
Guest 21st May 2011, 11:14 AM edit delete reply
Just saying, compare Martello from last panel to the one from this one. In the last one, she was a rough, badass captain; in this one, it looks like she should get her own castle and have the gang running around finding toads saying "I'm sorry, but your princess is in another castle.
Or even go back to the first few! Does this Koopa look like the one who would bet how long Go fought against guy? No! I have to agree with many other's here, morganstern. This new art quite simply isn't...you. Even though it is fairly good art, I can't tolerate it in this comic, and, like some others, I'll be leaving if it doesn't get better in the next few weeks.
But that's my 2 cents. I probably won't be posting again here, so have a great comic strip if I never see you again, Even though the "good" will never be as truly good as the comics you once released. I'd rather leave with my good memories than stay and watch my favorite comic strip settle into the dust. See you.
Guest 21st May 2011, 11:19 AM edit delete reply
Before you go, if this is what you choose, can you show us what you would have done with the goombas? I've been wondering for a while now, and this new art doesn't satisfy me. I respect your decision, but politely ask you to consider changing back to your old style, for the sake of most of your fans.
I also apologize for the others up there that simply attacked the strip. It was impolite for them to do so, and just shows their limited vocabulary because, if they had and expansive one, they could have done constructive criticism instead. I hope to see your new art again soon!
Aikidoka 21st May 2011, 11:22 AM edit delete reply
Aikidoka
I am a long time reader... This new art style is absolutely beautiful. That being said, I will tell you how I feel about it in the best way I can think of...

It's like an anime that has been dubbed into english. It's the same show, but it looses something when it's translated. You would rather watch it raw, and how it was originally intended, even though you can understand it better in english.

I will continue to read Mushroom Go reguardless of the direction the art style goes. But I don't think the bulk of your fans will do the same.
Oarboar 21st May 2011, 11:22 AM edit delete reply
My $.02, keep the change.

Obfuscobble is technically a very good artist, but this does NOT fit the story. Mushroom Go is a gritty story about five misfits trying to make their way in a peculiar world. This is too glitzy. It's like using that brand-new luxury car with the new-car smell for a job meant for an unpretentious old pickup.

Your artwork fit the story perfectly, and I think you're selling yourself WAY short on your abilities. Go to a once-a-week schedule if you have to -- we've dealt with it before and we can do so again.

And, BTW, why would you take 4chan seriously? That's like taking that crazy guy in your town who yells at telephone poles seriously. You just don't do it, and you don't even think twice about not doing it.
Oarboar 21st May 2011, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
A couple more pennies:

1) Bad Webcomics Wiki: I facepalm at you, Morgenstern, because I care. With a title like that, you should know not to take them seriously for even a nanosecond. These are people that no sensible person wants to hang out with in real life, and their only function in life seems to be to staff mini-marts. You've seen that picture of the dog peeing on a laptop? That should be your reaction to them.

2) You mentioned a cast picture from Obfuscobble. I seriously would love to see that. While I'm not favoring Ob taking over the strip on a permanent basis, guest comics are cool.

3) You rock. Just wanted to get out there in unmistakable form. That's all.
GigaNerd17 21st May 2011, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
The issue I see here:

When you start going "big-big," you'll be making good deals of cash through selling merchandise of your comic. Now, who's more likely to by your stuff: the die-hard fan who's been around since comic #15, or the new guy?

You have to be careful with this kind of thing; if you're driving off your dedicated fans, it'll be harder for you to go "big-big" and make a decent profit off this thing.
Duskstalker 21st May 2011, 11:54 AM edit delete reply
I don't mind the art. I found it blended pretty well. Well, until we got to Martello. Frankly, she looks like such a stereotype like that. I'm not going to recommend changing the art back, per se. I can see the advantage to the new artist, but unsway her hips, give her her shorter, more military-looking hair back, and flesh out that barbie figure into something a little more realistic, and less fragile looking.
The Good Wario 21st May 2011, 11:58 AM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
does obfuscobble have a deviantart? and if yes, please post the link to it? i would like to see some of His/her work
redder 21st May 2011, 12:12 PM edit delete reply
redder
you old style was awsome it had its own place and worked witht he comic realy well this new stuff is good but noware neer as suitable for this comic your drawings
Sangheili 01 21st May 2011, 12:39 PM edit delete reply
Sangheili 01
1UP for akidoka XD
Anarius 21st May 2011, 1:16 PM edit delete reply
When I saw the comic, I figured it was a guest comic. Cool. I like guest comics, and this artist has a great style. Then I read the opening post, and..I dunno, I guess I just felt depressed. THAT art is not Mushroom Go. Certainly, as any artist continues to grow, the look of the comic will start to change (See: Penny Arcade). But this, this is so drastically different, that it just feels wrong. I hope you reconsider, and go back to the old art style. Before I read the comments posted here, I thought I might be the only person who felt this way, but clearly the old style has more support than you thought. Is that art style "good"? Who cares! It's what your fans want. Also, for what it's worth, fuck the critics - they aren't your fans.
KZ 21st May 2011, 1:38 PM edit delete reply
I like the art shift. We had the previous art style which helped us become familiar with the characters, and while it did let us see more clearly how the characters matched their incarnations in the Super Mario Brothers series, this style is a lot more detailed, and a lot more interesting. It looks more... evolved. I enjoy this webcomic, and regardless of the art style, the most important thing isn't the art (as previous posters commented, art changes over time), but that it maintains the same spirit. Hmmm, I think the best way to put it is this: Regardless of how it looks, as long as Morganstern is still doing the writing, then it still has the same soul, and it's still Mushroom Go. Rock on.
FuzzyZergling 21st May 2011, 1:45 PM edit delete reply
You know, now that I look closer, the character design seems similar to Drowtales.
Anybody else think so?
RADDman 21st May 2011, 1:56 PM edit delete reply
I personally like your raw, scratchy-yet-detailed art style. It's one of the things that drew me to the strip. But hey, if it helps you relieve stress to have this supremely awesome artist drawing them for you, then I'm okay with it.

By the way, seeing that you actually read my ScrewAttack blog and made an awesome comment about it on your description absolutely blew MY mind. I am so honored. Thanks, Morgenstern :D
Snerky 21st May 2011, 1:59 PM edit delete reply
Snerky
Hmmmmm
Okay, first things first: A change in art style shouldn't be enough to put anybody off reading this comic, the great stories are what got me into it in the first place, not how it was drawn! So whatever you decide, I think you should decide it based on what you think, not what you're worried a few vocal fans will do.
That said, personally, I did prefer the old style, but this is the very first page we're seeing like this! I think after a little more exposure to it the hostility will die down, maybe with the exception of a couple of fans who don't really appreciate that Mushroom Go is something you're giving to us all, for free, out of your own free time.
If the reason you went with this art choice was because you were seriously worried that your own drawing was bringing down the quality of the comic as a whole, then you shouldn't worry about it. Your skill for storytelling more than makes up for any rough edges, and the longer you work on the comic, the better it will get. The number of fans you have is surely a testament to how good of a job you were already doing!
However, if the reason you're trying out this change is because the pressure of pumping out multiple pages a week was forcing you to make unwanted changes to the story, or the high workload involved was bringing your down in real life, then contracting the art side out to Ob, or anybody else, is completely understandable. Again, over time, if the artist can gauge how well their style suits Mushroom Go and maybe make little changes here and there to make it gel a little better, critics will get over themselves soon enough and get back to enjoying your story. Slowing down your update schedule or taking a break for a while is also an option if the comic is becoming a chore to write. You don't really owe us anything, don't feel like you're being forced to pump out the strips, it's up to you completely what you feel is best for the comic.

...That was a long-winded way of just saying "Do what you want to, it's you're comic, nobody else's."
TheCultist 21st May 2011, 2:05 PM edit delete reply
Alright. After reading so many comments that clearly made a point, there's only one thing left to say for me:

I agree with the fact that this new art is clearly too posh, BUT I think it's still neat. There must be a way of making a compromise between the old, "shabby" looking art and this new one.

A "gritty" art style and abstract facial features can be done either because an artist's skill are not able to do better - Or on purpose. When done on purpose, such things usually bear even more character and awesomeness.

Don't ditch the new artist and his art, give him a guiding hand on how to properly portray _your_ world in _his_ way.
Burninwulf 21st May 2011, 2:35 PM edit delete reply
As a forewarning sappy block text begins here*

I'm impressed that you came to such a conclusion involving your art. I must say that while your story has been the highlight of my reading this comic, religiously might I add, your art did not detract from it. In all actuality I was looking forward to seeing you progress as an artist and eventually see the improvement over time. I've enjoyed your takes on different monster designs and the way you play on small but unique details of the original monster to help your readers draw conclusions as to the identity of the "monster's" race. I'm a little sad about this change but I will continue reading for the great story. Let it be noted that I disagree with the assertion that Go! is on par with 8-bit theater. I Find that Go! is more original, more interesting and a much more unique work than Clevinger's piece, although I enjoyed it as well.
Thank you for the consistent hours of great entertainment I look forward to reading for a long time.
Marcozilla 21st May 2011, 2:52 PM edit delete reply
Marcozilla
I dont like it.
Cassiopia 21st May 2011, 2:56 PM edit delete reply
Cassiopia
Ok, I'm back, I'm properly medicated, and I'm slightly more reasonable.
Obby, (may I call you Obby?) is obviously talented. But your art was the best part of this comic. watching it improve was a whole lot of fun. I liked the little shout-outs, the fact that your personifications weren't always traditionally cute or sexy, the gritty, slightly dark feel, the abstract features that recalled the games without duplicating them.
I think Obby's style would work for flashbacks to the Mushroom Kingdom, or MK propaganda, if that ever comes into the story. You might get him to help on exterior shots and landscapes, which i know you sometimes struggle with. You could even get him to do a few future species designs. But keep what you have. Keep the scratchy line art, the colors, the weirdly 2-d dream-sequences. It's what we love about this comic.
Jacquie 21st May 2011, 3:35 PM edit delete reply
Wow, this art style is really cool. My godson loves it. I love it, too; this artist is really talented.

That said, part of the reason I started reading this comic was your art style. That's also part of the reason my godchildren started reading, too (my goddaughter has the biggest crush on Go, it's cute). I mean, I stayed because of the story, but I started because of your art.

It's your comic, and like I said, this new art style is pretty freaking awesome! I wouldn't mind if is stayed that way. But if I had to choose, I'd prefer the old style: its sketchiness and rough lines gave it a unique, gritty look that perfectly fit with the story. Your art, while it's not where you want it to be yet, has its own merits, and you should recognize them as such. And if having your art around means we only get one update a week... I'm willing to wait :)
Nolim 21st May 2011, 3:37 PM edit delete reply
This art is better but more generic and I wanted to see how your style would evolve.
Bonz0 21st May 2011, 4:10 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
@ The Good Wario
Don't know how Palma, Go and Guy will look but here's obfuscobble's take on McCoy:
http://www.kemetkids.com/zenu/mccoyravenPRINT.jpg

Pretty badass, eh? The prettiness totally fit's McCoy's graceful, gentle demeanor. You can TOTALLY tell he's supposed to be a Raven from the Super Mario series.

@Guest
You can actually find goombas earlier in the comic drawn by Morgenstern. And they actually look like goombas. Check pages 24 and 61. Goombas. With round, bald heads and brown skin. NOT goblins with obnoxious eyebrows that don't fit the rest of the character's art style and fangs that seem to come out of their skin rather than their mouths.
The Good Wario 21st May 2011, 4:20 PM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
Bonz0^

Uh... this is just me ... but McCoy , especially with the flowing feathers(?) makes him look like a girl.

That is what i see when observing this image.
Bonz0 21st May 2011, 4:32 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
I was being sarcastic, btw.
The Good Wario 21st May 2011, 4:33 PM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
Sorry...
Owl 21st May 2011, 5:08 PM edit delete reply
:O My mind is officially blown. I'll try to come up with an intelligent comment later.
Oarboar 21st May 2011, 5:10 PM edit delete reply
Umm ... OK. After looking at the McCoy picture, I have to say that, yes, Obfuscobble is a good artist ...

... but keeping him or her on the artwork could do for Mushroom Go what the video for "Rock Me Tonite" did for Billy Squier's career.
Pinstripe 21st May 2011, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
Keep in mind that that picture of McCoy was produced as fan art (it was also drawn in the first 80 minutes after Obfuscobble saw McCoy for the first time). That was before he was Mushroom Go's official artist collaborating with Morgenstern, as he is now (on a trial basis). So that picture doesn't necessarily look anything like what Obfuscobble's 'official' McCoy will look like.
Yoshi 21st May 2011, 5:44 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, I gotta say, I'm not liking that take on McCoy too much either. Of course, the artist may or may not understand that he took away a vital aspect of the character, so I'm sure he might change that. In any case, I'd prefer morgenstern's artwork if McCoy's going to look like that ._.
KZ 21st May 2011, 6:12 PM edit delete reply
You know, I look at that image of McCoy, and I can't help but think, "Yeah, that looks like a guy who can kick wholesale arse and still get half a dozen girls to come to a party where he and a Shy Guy and the only guys. Well, we've seen Martello, and McCoy. All that's left are Go, Guy, and Palma.
fuzzy3158 21st May 2011, 6:30 PM edit delete reply
fuzzy3158
Okay, I just made an account and subscribed just to show how fucking serious I am about this comment. I'll put it to you flatly.
This. Was. NOT. Necessary.
I know that your drawing style was not the best in the world, but dammit, it worked for the comic. It had something special that gave the characters quite some life to them.
Now as for the new style, sure, it's better. Absolutely. But I also feel like you've somehow lost that special spark that I really liked.
I'm with this comic all the way to the end. I would've been anyways, even if it just was for the story. Anyone that manages to portray mario as badass as you did deserves such devotion. I'm sure you will not disappoint me. Whether you keep this style or go back to your own.
Also, don't worry about fucking 4chan. They hate everything. Seriously. ESPECIALLY the comic board. Can't even ask a question about a meme there without getting burned to the ground in the process. So don't feel bad just because those jerks give criticism. Their comments should NOT warrant a change this big. I'm sure you weigh more heavily on your other reasons, but I'm sure you appreciate some info like that.
50ftqueeny 21st May 2011, 6:54 PM edit delete reply
i really enjoyed your previous art style but at the same time it could have used a few adjustments. there are comics out there that are drawn in a very horrible fashion and still have followings and/or popularity. don't let it get to you. if you're insistent upon paying an artist until your style gets more well rounded, i would probably say find someone that matches your previous art style a little more until you get good enough to man the comic again.
Infamous Nefarious 21st May 2011, 7:07 PM edit delete reply
Infamous Nefarious
No. No. No no no no NO. YOUR style was perfectly befitting the comic. It's all evolving together and you are just selling yourself entirely too damned short. Yes, I understand time constraints. Time? Sucks. There's never enough of it. And it's MY opinion that you were still doin pretty darned good with 2 posts a week, but you gotta do what you gotta. This guy? Sure. he's pretty decent. But his work DOES NOT FIT HERE. Yeah, he cranked out a fairly nice strip, but it just feels wrong on my eyeballs. You gotta stick with your work and with yourself pal. The art doesn't need to be good enough to be splattered all over the ceiling of a monastery. And you ARE getting a lot better! So roll with it already dude. Roll on and keep rollin where it goes. I have high hopes for you. And remember it's YOUR work that's gotten all these honors and accolades and recognition. You and you alone.

You get a 3 this week. Suck it up and quit degrading yourself. You CAN do it. You've got big art-balls. Walk like it.
Futurevgd 21st May 2011, 7:36 PM edit delete reply
what can i say that hasn't already been said. this art style is superb however it makes this comic seem like its something other than a kickass comic about a chain smoking raven and a toad who plays with fire and various other things that us fans can look at and be like 'Oh, that is freaking awesome."

over all i dont care for the new style.
Rage-Nakasa 21st May 2011, 7:43 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
*stops bother reading the comments half way down* I respect your destion on letting this tryal run go though a bit. I myself am cerouse abouth how the others will look in this new style. however. I do agree with a lot of the others in here saying the goumbas don't look right.. and the bom-bombs don't look cute anymore.. more steampunk. I love the old style and it's what brought me here. it and your story is what keep me coming back to read this. I've read many a good drawn comic but I don't read them much.. and miss alot of updates... not this comic. this comic is what I made sure to watch cause of it. this is however your choice so I'll go with it. I do hope you listen to the viewers though, cause without your viewers... you don't got any reason to keep going. *knows this every well*

thanks if you actulay read this one out of the hundrade or so already put up about the art style.
[sorry about spelling errors.. I'm notiouse with them.]
Cammiluna 21st May 2011, 8:11 PM edit delete reply
Cammiluna
Am I the only one Curious to see how a comic page would look like with this anatomy combined with the old line-art style?
Guest 21st May 2011, 8:46 PM edit delete reply
but morgenstern, i like yooouuurrrrrr artwork!
Grimlock13 21st May 2011, 9:32 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
Man, if the comment keep pilling up at that rhythm, by the next saturday it will become the longest comment section I have ever read.
Rage-Nakasa 21st May 2011, 9:36 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
@ Cammiuna: Hmmm that might be intersting

@Grimlock13: lol, right? I couldn't read all of them. seems Morgenstern has more hands in the shadows than he thinks.
Timothy 21st May 2011, 9:37 PM edit delete reply
I think you should just ignore any criticisms you get from places like 4chan. :/

Yeah, I didn't see anything wrong with the art before, and certainly nothing that would "hold the comic back".
Canuovea 21st May 2011, 9:50 PM edit delete reply
Okay, I'm a bit of a lurker here but...

I can see me growing to like the art, but the changes for Martello were a bit jarring. I am not saying that I wouldn't get used to it in time though.

Oh, and I would definitely be curious to see how the other characters would look in this new style.
Mihas 21st May 2011, 10:34 PM edit delete reply
This comic has surely come a long way from the first strip (which honestly gave me pause at the artwork, at least for a moment) and I would like the comic to continue in that way though a change will surely be accepted by true fans in time. I've got to say though that with this change in the art style is that it was too sudden. I understand you didn't really "plan" for this that your life became to hectic but it's really the surprise of the change that people are objecting to for the most part, which points to a gigantic lack of tact on your part, even given the circumstances (though I wouldn't have known how to have done it better, I also lack tact). I like that Obfuscobble kept the same fonts though, which is a nice throw-back, so it appears, to when you were drawing the comic yourself.

Just from this one strip I can honestly say that his artwork has done some things for your comic. He gives more than just frontal and side views of the characters, the characters stand more than they slouch (no matter how unrealistic that is, it really matters for some reason), the scenery is much more detailed and matches the history in the panels much better, and there are multiple characters doing many things in the background of scenes (which you have been trying to do, I noticed). I especially love the raptor-legs for the bob-ombs (and I have to ask whether they know how to open doors).

That being said, I'm really not sold on this style of art, obviously no offense meant to Obfuscobble. What first drew me to this comic, honestly, was an ad I saw with Guy in a maid costume from strip 17. I click on it because it was interesting and a bit of a unique idea (how in the world did that happen to a shy guy?) especially a unique idea as I read on, having the Mario universe interact after Mario is gone (or what have you). Your art style really synched it though. It developed with the story and in a way the story defined it. Gritty and without much proper definition just fits with desert pirates. It was fun to see it come along, really. Obfuscobble's style is a bit too japanese. That is the style of the day and it is so overused that yours was really a nice change of pace, though not many people use the japanese style effectively or draw it well so that adds a bad taste to the comic. It also seems highly... superficial when drawn this way.

While I really want to see you continue to draw the comics, I will respect this change and eventually get used to it, no problem. Should you decide to go this route though, I would suggest that you ask Obfuscobble to see if he could adjust his style to be more similar to yours so that the artwork won't be so superficial in future. Also another big point of contention that I would discuss with him is the character designs. I'm afraid that even with just Martello, he is terribly off-base. Martello has spent nearly her whole life training to become a soldier in the Koopa army. She should not look as though she's a normal girl. She should be beefy and more boy-like and especially with smaller breasts thanks to the amount of testosterone in her body at a young age due to the amount of activity in which she participated. Also, request that he remove the sparkles, it detracts from the professionalism of the comic.

Also, some merch. would help cover the cost of having Obfuscobble draw your comic! ;)

@Cammiluna
I would also like to see that! So excited!
That guy 21st May 2011, 10:47 PM edit delete reply
First things first, Obfuscobble I want a link to your comics because I'd love to see your artwork in general. It's very well drawn and seems to be made for a different story of it's own. I wanted to actually send YOU a message to tell you that if you're asked stick with this comic I think you can change your work to fit this story. Now to Morgenstern, If you do decide to stick with drawing GO! then read Charby the vampirate, The first few pages where redone but all in all you'll see how the art starts our much worse than yours then over time improves as a whole through out the comic. Definite inspiration, also 8-bit theater didn't always keep a regular update time, don't push your self too hard real life comes first unfortunately :)
Mr. Vareel 21st May 2011, 10:51 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
Ha ha ha! Oh man, that’s funny! Great joke! Okay, now let’s get back to business as usual. Oh, and one more thing: wait for Λpril Fools Day next time.
zackTHEwizerd 21st May 2011, 10:59 PM edit delete reply
i kind of like the new style. it reminds me of the wind waker for some reason. but something must be done about martello. she looks a bit too sexy. i had no idea the guys in the first pannel were goombas. any way, great comic. i have been following it sense the parana plant laboratory and will still follow no matter what you decide to do.
Lemelie 21st May 2011, 11:01 PM edit delete reply
I like this style of art. It's very pretty.
But the depiction of Martello? Doesn't suit her character at all. It's way too feminine and delicate.
Of course it's up to you what you do, but you've got your own unique style and it really suited the comic.
k6to 21st May 2011, 11:07 PM edit delete reply
I preffered the old style to be honest, I just had my old laptop puke and take my webcomics list with it and this was one of the first comics to be re-added. Either way the choice is utimatily up to you but i feel like the comic took a step back, I'll continue to follow since I'm also fond of you're story-telling.
Zer0_limit 21st May 2011, 11:37 PM edit delete reply
Go back to the old style. I'm not saying that this artist's work isn't good, but I'm saying that your work should be YOUR work. What you've drawn is better than what yourself credit for. You've been looking too closely at your faults, and so you think your work is worse than it is. It's kind of like how it's hard to find a photograph of yourself without immediately seeing your blemishes. Your style is good man (I assume you're a man), and if you just keep doing it yourself than you might just find something that you are really proud of.
Madness. 21st May 2011, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
This will be my second time posting. I've seen Obfuscobble's version of McCoy and Martello. Neither fit your characters or story line. Any other opinions I might have mirror what Mihas wrote. So, in ending, I want to say that it ISN'T the "big change" that I have a problem is. My problem actually lies in the art. I wouldn't have given your comic the time of day if this art had been here from the beginning, and I can pretty much guarantee that you won't see me posting in the next comic that Obuscobble draws--I won't even read it.
Hobojoe007 22nd May 2011, 12:48 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
I was okay with the change until I saw Martello... then I was like, okay what the heck is this? I want to see if he can draw the other characters without messing them up, but I'm already so attached to your style and creativity, that I could NEVER get used to this. I LOVED the simplicity, It adds to the mood, an makes it feel more serious and epic than this, rather boring artwork.
Hobojoe007 22nd May 2011, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
Hobojoe007
No offense to Obuscobble, he is a Great artist who has talent and potential, I just don't enjoy this artwork in your comic
Guest 22nd May 2011, 1:22 AM edit delete reply
Me thinks a ton of people liked your old work, morganstern.
HINT HINT... Listen to them!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and there are a lot of beholders who don't find beauty in this art. It's good art, sure, but, like miriad others have already stated, it's not you, and it's not for this comic. I, for one, am a loyal follower, and wouldnt care besides a slight dissapointment if you had to postpone comics for other stuff. But this art...it just isn't right. Even this loyal dog has to turn up his nose at something. All we can do is hope that you beef up your attitude, take some more pride in your work, and keep doing the work we love: work that you designed.
Guest 22nd May 2011, 1:26 AM edit delete reply
I actually thought the art was fine until we got to Martello, and then I had the same complaints already stated by others. It had it's own look, thy serves well for a guest comic style deal. I just wouldn't be able to tolerate it every week. Change back please, for all of us!
Gamegeneral 22nd May 2011, 1:30 AM edit delete reply
I think it would be cool if your new artist could find a middleground between your style and his. I rather liked the edgy lines you had, but his character designs are verrrryy interesting, and I can't wait to see how he does the rest of the crew.
Evdog 22nd May 2011, 3:33 AM edit delete reply
Evdog
And now for something COMPLETELY different:

[first lines] [forest]
Announcer: In this picture, there are forty-seven people. None of them can be seen. In this film, we hope to show you how not to be seen. This is Mr. E.R. Bradshaw of Napier Court, Black Lion Road, London, SE14. He cannot be seen. Now I'm going to ask him to stand up. Mr. Bradshaw, will you stand up, please?
[Mr. Bradshaw stands up and is shot]
Announcer: This demonstrates the value of not being seen.
brawl 22nd May 2011, 7:37 AM edit delete reply
brawl
I would like to high-five you very much right now Evdog, but you can't high-five a metroid. (And keep your hand)
The Good Wario 22nd May 2011, 7:43 AM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
Edvog^

[cut to a scene with a bush]

This is Mr Nesbitt of Harlow New Town. Mr Nesbit would you stand up please.

(after a pause - nothing happens)

Mr Nesbitt has learnt the value of not being seen. However he has chosen a very obvious piece of cover.

[The bush exzplodes]

(Edvog, why did you randomly reference Monty Pyhton?)
Remix 22nd May 2011, 7:56 AM edit delete reply
The new style is indeed very well done, but I liked this series for it's original style. It was rough, but nice, I thought it fit the story well.

Such a drastic change so suddenly just makes it seem like a different comic now. Especially since you aren't doing the art anymore.
Professional Mole 22nd May 2011, 8:34 AM edit delete reply
Well, I surely enjoy this change. And I hope you too are satisfied with it, and that this is not too costy on you. Nonetheless, the cleaner artwork sure feels better.

Wherever you go with this, much luck for you, good sir! :D
bushidoanime 22nd May 2011, 9:53 AM edit delete reply
while i do like this guys art style (wish i was a good as he is with photoshop)
i feel what probably would'av been better is posted some drafts of the guys work of the characters. to gauge reactions and make some changes if you feel is deemed necessary rather than with a full on comic. people don't read the full blog and automatically think its permanent.

but i do agree its a bit jarring with the changing of art styles. not bad mind you.

i'll hold my opinion until the next comic, but what with whatever you choose, i must say kudos good sir as you've managed to do three things.
1. start a webcomic
2. keep the webcomic interesting
3. have a healthy base of support (both rapid-foaming fans, the curious reader and nods of approval from other artist)

so kudos good sir. it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
EKA 22nd May 2011, 10:32 AM edit delete reply
I'll let you know when this stops making my brain explode with it's awe-inspiring artwork...

.... Nope, still exploding.
EKA 22nd May 2011, 10:35 AM edit delete reply
... You know, I should really read your notes first. Then I would have known this wasn't your art, and say that I kinda preferred yours.
Owl 22nd May 2011, 10:52 AM edit delete reply
Owl
Alright, slightly-intelligent comment time. I like this new artwork, but it will take some time getting used to. However, I think Martello's hair is a bit too perfect. They're in a desert, no one can have perfect hair.
Raron 22nd May 2011, 10:54 AM edit delete reply
First time commenting on this comic through have read for a while. I would say forget the people commenting on the art. Their are plenty of comics out there that had very humble beginings and now some of the biggest comics out there. Just do it in your style and get better over time. That is what I would suggest but.. this is your baby, your art, your story. Not a one of us have the right to tell you what to do so if this is the direction you wish to go rock on. I am coming along for the ride and am gonna to enjoy the story along the way.

As for all those who pan a comic just for the art... let's see YOUR comic... Hmmmmm nothing?... HOW ABOUT THAT! WHAT AAARREE the odds?
Rick_Bo 22nd May 2011, 11:05 AM edit delete reply
Awe, I liked the old art style. It was more "Down-to-earth" and personal on the artist's level. We could see your growth as an artist and that was exciting. but now it's just your words on someone else's art.

That and martello seems much more "feminine" than "amry-tomboyish" now. I miss that.
Piroc 22nd May 2011, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
I love your art style, it fits the story perfectly. There's nothing wrong with this art, except that it's not yours. It's pretty to look at, which isn't bad, but it just doesn't fit with the characters and story the way your work does
madlycan 22nd May 2011, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
I liked the comic a lot the way it was. you art had this rough almost dirty touch due to the way your lines were.
I don't mind the switch much, but please don't let sasha lose her personality like that. the current pose just seems... for lack of a better word... wrong.
Hoshi 22nd May 2011, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
This is my second, maybe third time commenting... Only to say that I sorely dislike the idea of this becoming the new "style". No offense to the artist, his art would be wonderful, in a new comic where the art isn't yet established. The problem is, I loved the art. It was the picture of Guy in a maid's dress that got me to come here.

It was the storytelling and artwork that kept me coming back. It reminded me of a Saturday morning cartoon feel. Palma is adorably plump, Martello's a tomboy with guts, Go looks the most human and it's understandable considering the Princess, Guy, well, Guy is just awesome...

And McCoy's McCoy. There are no better words to describe him. Have you even read your TVTropes page? We're your fans, diligently trying to inform the world of your comic. Hell, I've sent it to all my IRC friends and they've been readers ever since.

This art style? That girl up there is not our Sasha Martello. Only YOU can make Sasha come to life.
Rage-Nakasa 22nd May 2011, 12:56 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
hahaha every 5 mins I come here to refresh and I find another post.
Superkenkun 22nd May 2011, 1:42 PM edit delete reply
http://www.mushroomgo.thecomicseries.com/comics/pl/53438

Just putting that out there. Remember when you said you didn't like the way you drew, but we all were like, "Nooo, nooo! It's awesome!"
Good times. Gooooooood times.
Secret Agent 000 22nd May 2011, 2:53 PM edit delete reply
Hrmph.
I don't really like the new style...
I think the more "gritty" style really complemented the world it was depicting.
But this style...not so much.
It...just...it just doesn't seem to FIT.
If this comic was set in a more idealistic world, this new art style would likely fit perfectly.
But it isn't.
SneakQQ 22nd May 2011, 3:00 PM edit delete reply
Wait, so this is gonna be a long time thing? Crap. Honestly, I'm not liking this change in style. I think if you continue to do this, you're wasting your money.
SneakQQ 22nd May 2011, 3:03 PM edit delete reply
I took another look at the comic and found out what I said was wrong.
I CAN'T STAND THIS NEW STYLE.
DocMadfox 22nd May 2011, 3:43 PM edit delete reply
I had a huge, 7 point rant about what I didn't like about this comic, but it was over 1000 letters. =(
So to keep it short this art style is sterile. It lacks any soul. It focuses on looking good over creativity. The artist may be good and may have fans, but I can do a Google search and find similar images. The comic before was unique, no matter it's look. The writing is still good, but if this is a long term change? To quote a great man, this comic sucks.
Tobias7 22nd May 2011, 3:54 PM edit delete reply
Long time lurker here, I've loved this comic and have been reading it since around the 10th one or so. I have to say this is my favorite web comic of all time.

When I first saw this week's comic I squealed in delight; I love anime and the new look is amazing. Then I began to feel like I hated it, then I realized why I felt like this. This is amazing art, very beautiful and is similar to other things I like. However it conveys none of the feeling and emotions that your art does. Mushroom Go is your creation and because of it your art adds to the characters more than someone else's art. I think the new style is wonderful...as fan art. I would love to see a cast pic in this style, and maybe a guest strip every now and then but I think your style is part of the comic. You've also grown with your art and your characters have grown with it as well. Compare the first 10 comics to the last 10 comics and you can see what I mean.

Also, you are WAY too negative about yourself, nearly every update you complain about your own comic. I'm an innovator myself, as a solo programmer, so I understand why. You're doing great, however there's things you are not perfect in, and as an innovator you focus on making things better so sometimes all you seem to notice are the negative things. Your fans see the opposite, they see the wonderful amazing things of this comic. This comic can be way big, but your art doesn't hold it back, it makes it grow!
GreenIntern 22nd May 2011, 5:02 PM edit delete reply
Hey all. I was the one who brought MGo to the attention of the Pinstripe/Catling Power Hour and the Something Awful forums, so I thought I'd give my thoughts briefly.

Morgenstern, keep the change for at least a few pages. Work with Obfuscobble to tweak the art in that time. I understand how an abrupt change like this could be offputting.

To the people saying that the new style "lacks soul," I don't really agree.
It's...different. Certainly more realistic, on the whole. I'd like to remind everyone that Morgenstern is within his rights as author to try new things with his comic. Some people seem to be getting a bit high-strung over this test page.

GreenIntern 22nd May 2011, 5:02 PM edit delete reply
I agree that Martello needs some work. That pose is a bit too feminine for her character. It might just be an issue of panel composition, though. I would definitely be aware that a different artist might require different panel layouts, and experimentation with different kinds of action.

So in short (like this isn't already) Morgenstern, fiddle with the new artstyle and never stop improving.

Everyone else, give change a chance. If you can't handle a webcomic changing its artist, I don't know how you deal with life.
ExarArcian 22nd May 2011, 5:15 PM edit delete reply
Alright, I had this longer but no matter how much I cut it was "too long." So, here's my two cents in short:

1. I prefer your style to the new.
2. The new style is still well-drawn, but I think it's a different tone. Too dark, too "fancy." Martello looks like she belongs in a Twilight novel. (SPARKLES)
3. Don't bother with what reviewers think. Can't speak for others, but I've never read a comic based on a review.
4. Don't be so dang hard on yourself! Your comic is awesome. Stop fretting and have fun.

Exeunt.
GreenIntern 22nd May 2011, 5:16 PM edit delete reply
I was talking with Pinstripe and a couple other people, and we agree that a new comic with Morgenstern and Obfuscobble could have some potential, if they don't partner up here.
Bonz0 22nd May 2011, 5:26 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
We mean it lacks the soul of MUSHROOM GO, not that it lacks soul in general.

Also, the element of "realism" and the element of "Mario" don't exactly mesh together perfectly.
DocMadfox 22nd May 2011, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
@GreenIntern
I handle life by acknowledging changing something that was already working is typically not the best option? I agree the change was brought upon too abruptly as well as Martello's sudden change in look to "girly and strong" from "strong but rugged woman" were some points that got deleted because I went over 1000 characters, but that's where I have to stop agreeing with you. The new artwork looks good, but that's it. There's no charming flaws there's only "what is wrong with Martello's spine?". So while you may disagree I still see the art that's a carbon copy of what's popular rather then doing something of it's own, the artwork was never perfect for this comic but that drew me in along with the writing and without it I don't feel as much of an urge to read this as before. Though as always it's an opinion and those tend to differ and Morgenstern is, of course, free to do as he wills.
Hoshi 22nd May 2011, 5:38 PM edit delete reply
@GreenIntern
The "people" getting strung out are his fans. The people who genuinely wait with baited breath on each and every new comic. I love his sketchy style, yes, there are flaws. But it's charming. It's a new style, it's genuine. He pours his heart into making these characters for us.
This page doesn't have the same heart in it. It's not a labor of love.
GreenIntern 22nd May 2011, 5:44 PM edit delete reply
@Hoshi
I enjoyed Morgenstern's sketchy artstyle as well. There are many different kinds of fans, though. Morgenstern is trying to change his comic to be appealing to a wider audience. Thus, the True Fans are getting agitated that 'their' comic is becoming something else. This is a valid worry. I just feel like people are being a bit petty in their arguments against the new artstyle.

For example:
Saying that the new style is not a labor of love is also doing a disservice to Obfuscobble, the artist.
Aj 22nd May 2011, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
I liked the original art a lot but this is also very nice.
Bonz0 22nd May 2011, 6:44 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
I know what you mean, GreenIntern. I've been trying to avoid petty, personal arguments like that if you haven't noticed.

The thing about reaching a larger audience...do you really think this is going to do it? Changing the art style? Do you know why the audience was increasing in the first place? The hardcore fans like us were going around the internet talking about the comic. Like Magravan said, some of us feel betrayed by this new art style. Do you think those people will continue to spread the word about Mushroom Go if the comic becomes something they do not like?

The end result will probably be the audience either staying the same or shrinking, not expanding. Not to mention the fact that, as Giganerd17 said earlier, the kinds of people who will buy Mushroom Go merchandise will be the hardcore fans rather than the "Oooohhh, look at the shiny art!" fans.
The Good Wario 22nd May 2011, 6:55 PM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
The art is good, i'm not dissin that, but there is only one panel that would posibbly work for this comic and that is the first.

The style of the goombas is appropiate, especially in the dim lit area. Also,you can clearly tell that they are goombas.

The other two panels...no, i can not say that they fit, Because after reading this comic for a good amount of time, you get a feel for the style. Even though that the Bomb-ombs were only in two comics, there were enought to get the basic style in. When it came to Martello, since she is an unique character, there is only one Sasha. She apearss (i didnt spell that right) only once per panel but we know that the koopas in this comic will be simmilar.

In the end, i hope that an cast picture will come out in the view and style of Offscuble (i hope spelled that right) to see if this will be as disliked as readers suggest.
blorg 22nd May 2011, 7:25 PM edit delete reply
Okay, so first you slow updating to once a week, then you get someone else to draw your webcomic... STOP BEING LAZY MAN!!! but honestly, I think if the artwork was like this from the start, We all would have loved it, but you've already gone too far to change the artwork. The characters and setting of the worlds and interactions of this comic are imbedded in our brains with your artwork, and to change the artwork will change reader's opinions on the comic as a whole. And that isn't a good thing.
blorg 22nd May 2011, 7:25 PM edit delete reply
Okay, so first you slow updating to once a week, then you get someone else to draw your webcomic... STOP BEING LAZY MAN!!! but honestly, I think if the artwork was like this from the start, We all would have loved it, but you've already gone too far to change the artwork. The characters and setting of the worlds and interactions of this comic are imbedded in our brains with your artwork, and to change the artwork will change reader's opinions on the comic as a whole. And that isn't a good thing.
The Good Wario 22nd May 2011, 7:28 PM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
@blorg

Morgestern is NOT LAZY, he has a packed schedule and i understand the want of an illustrator, but the old style is better for this story.
Azureink 22nd May 2011, 7:30 PM edit delete reply
I also prefer your original style. Perhaps, as some said, there could be a sort of merger of styles if you want to test it out. Or the occasional guest artist strip.
tutter 22nd May 2011, 7:42 PM edit delete reply
tutter
Geuss what? This post isn't going to be like any of the other posts. Why? Because I can't wait to see who the bad guys are. Maybe it'll be an entourage of black bobombs or bullet bills and the like. Or maybe it'll be that one guy from the end of twister's borough. Can't wait to see.
tutter 22nd May 2011, 7:50 PM edit delete reply
tutter
Wait a second.... Why is the rating to this one lower then some of the others. As far as the story goes, these three panels explain a lot more and advance the story farther then a lot of others. DOn't tell me... are some of you who are voting being pissy because the art changed? How immature. This comic is just as good as the others if not better. HASN'T ANYONE HEARD THAT YOU SHOULD NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY A COVER!

It goes infinitely for comics because each one is a new cover. I mean, look at some of the other great comic series. The graphics change over time because of skill (cyanide and happiness, BiTF), or because of new artists (Can't think of ANY right now). Yet people shouldn't judge them for the looks.

Comics are one step away from being books, and if people feel like complaining about the art getting better, maybe you'll stop complaining when there isn't any art at all.
I_am_Solid_Snaek 22nd May 2011, 7:50 PM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
eh...
like the artwork, but it doesn't fit with the story. But that's just my humble opinion.
@ blorg; YOU try making and updating a webcomic 2 days a week, on top of a busy schedule. NOT EASY

But Morgenstern, I very much preferred the old art.
Oarboar 22nd May 2011, 7:53 PM edit delete reply
@GreenIntern: How nice of you to come in here and tell us all how to think. That crack about handling life? That's just a fantastic way to kill a strawman dead and make sure it stays dead. My Koopa helmet is off to you, good sir.

Sarcasm OFF. I seriously like the idea of Morgenstern and Obfuscobble getting together on a different strip, particularly if Morgenstern has some more good ideas kicking around in his head. He's already got his plate full with drawing this strip, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if his idea somehow meshed much more with Obfuscobble's style.
Guest 22nd May 2011, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
the comic was a hella lot better with the old style.

This fucking sucks now.
model S 22nd May 2011, 8:04 PM edit delete reply
mostly silent fantard here. i gotta speak up about this one. i've been through the archives more than once and every time i notice atleast one thing i missed that you hid in there. YOU hid it. that's why it felt good to find it. i'm not saying the art is bad, i'm not downing anything, but look man. i gotta say i want the guy hoodie and mask YOU drew, the one way back in "guy vs. Go"i liked martello the way you drew her, i love your art, it fit and made the comic feel right. you can do as you please, it's your project, but as a true fan, please go back. this time there is a reason to go back.
The Good Wario 22nd May 2011, 8:05 PM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
@Guest

Why in your oppinion does this "F**king sucks" now
Oarboar 22nd May 2011, 8:06 PM edit delete reply
@tutter: Comic books or graphic novels or whatever you want to call them depend, by definition, a lot upon their artwork. To me, that just seems pretty obvious.

I did giggle at your "Can't think of ANY right now" line. I think that tells me enough.
Grimlock13 22nd May 2011, 8:08 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
@tutter
Oh, yeah, I completely forgot about that fact. What kind of soldiers will we see?
Torn 22nd May 2011, 8:09 PM edit delete reply
I am honestly torn the drawing and art is a tun better however the stile was what attracted me in the first place and got me to thinking about making my own web comic... Morgenstern keep doing what your doing I support you either way. :)
tutter 22nd May 2011, 8:25 PM edit delete reply
tutter
BTW, For all those who don't like the new art style and are being polite about it and are offering valid reasons why, I don't want you to feel downed by my comments. I hate being the cynical one, my drama masks are both smiling. Or at least the tragedy one is winking. I would like to see the art go back, but I don't hate obfuscus(why must your name be your name?) or anything. I think I can grow accustomed to this art. It's just that the change was so sudden and unexpected that it had more transition whip lash then an old z movie.
BTW: I think Morgenstern needs to update the thing at the bottom where he gives credit... I think they're called credits... assuming this is a long term thing.
Starcat5 22nd May 2011, 8:30 PM edit delete reply
I am a relatively new fan. I showed up in the middle of the Resident Evil arc, have only posted twice, and haven't registered yet. That said, let me toss in my two cents. While good, I preferred the old "Toon" art style. The Goombas look like Orks, but that isn't a bad thing. The Bob-ombs look very mechanical and manufactured, which IS! (W.T.F. is on Frenchie's head?) Finally, Martello looks like she should be having tea with Princess Peach, rather than holding her for ransom. Her hair went from roughly cut shoulder length, to this. Also, where is the Turtle Shell icon? I miss it.
Greg 22nd May 2011, 8:56 PM edit delete reply
Ouch Morgenstern, it seems like you can't catch a break. I did prefer your art, but as someone said earlier (brawl, I think) I will continue to read your comic for the great story. Personally, if you're stressed I would like to have a strip drawn by you but at a lesser rate. You could even draw half the strips while Obfuscobble draws the other half. Regardless of your ultimate decision you have done a great job, and will continue to do so. Here's from a long time fan- you deserve to be proud of your work, no matter what people say, and no matter what your choice is.
Rage-Nakasa 22nd May 2011, 9:08 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
you know.. before this page. I would think Shasa Martello was in the same prestance as General Armstrong. [the wall of Briggs.. not the crasy alchemist Axle Louse Armstrong.] but this one don't carry that feelin. just my option.
Fx002 22nd May 2011, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
Your style allows the reader to imagine the details and that makes the world seem more alive. If every detail down to folds in the clothing it becomes less engaging.
ThorgrimmandFinn 22nd May 2011, 11:00 PM edit delete reply
It's not Mushroom Go, 'nuff said
Urktok 22nd May 2011, 11:10 PM edit delete reply
I'll try to put this in a critics veiw point.
Honestly I dont enjoy the new style. The older style was rougher, gave the comic more of a personality, this new style takes away from the personality that we have grown acusstemed to. By springing this on us its like your ripped the old characters away and replaced them with "cleaner and prettier" ones. I think if you could find a way to mix these two styles together it would better then this new style. And a gradual change would be better instead of the sudden jump. I'm sure most of the extremely negative comments are just people being extremly upset with the sudden change.
basmith0 23rd May 2011, 12:44 AM edit delete reply
basmith0
@Tutter One webcomic that had a change in artist is Lightbringer.

www.lightbringer.comicgenesis.com

In the beginning Lewis Lovhaug was writer and illustrator but then he started collaborating with artist Chad Rocco in the middle of chapter 13.

The style change was as drastic as the change here, but the change in Lightbringer's art lent itself to the story extremely well. Even thought the change was extreme and abrupt, it worked! I don't think that the change here works very well because the style doesn't lend itself well to the story being told.
NotTooImportant 23rd May 2011, 1:22 AM edit delete reply
I am in LOVE with this art style. No matter what style you choose to go with, I'll be reading until the end.
The Vicar 23rd May 2011, 1:23 AM edit delete reply
I preferred your art. As others have said, this has a very different feel. Martello seems totally different this way, and I have no doubt the other characters will as well.
Cassiopia 23rd May 2011, 1:26 AM edit delete reply
Cassiopia
@GreenIntern
so, you reveal yourself. We were having a nice time here before you turned up, you lousy...

@Morgenstern Ok, that aside. Keep Obfuscobble. Get him to do the backgrounds, exterior shots, things like that. That way, you get the improved layout, and afterwards you can fix the line-work and do the characters the way we like 'em. It'll even seem like a throwback to the side-scrollers, with the background separate from the action in the foreground. It'll be an evolution, rather than a change to a completely different comic.
ForeverAScone 23rd May 2011, 1:26 AM edit delete reply
Wow, the people here are jerks, aren't they? "Change it back or we leave"? Guys, seriously? I loved both the old style and the new one for different reasons. A change of artwork isn't going to stop me from reading.

In short, Keep up the good work, and don't pay attention to these idiots.
Bonz0 23rd May 2011, 1:35 AM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Oh, I'll stay alright. Just don't ask me not to bitch constantly for the next dozen or so pages.
And I won't be updating the Mushroom Go Tvtropes page anymore, either! Lets see how you junior-varsity losers like that! Buh! Buh! Buh huh huh huh huh huh huh!

Ok, I'll probably still feel compelled to trope. But I won't enjoy it!
...as much.
Nitrobenz 23rd May 2011, 3:34 AM edit delete reply
gotta say I'll miss the old style, it added a unique flavor to an already unique story by looking less professional (in a good way)
DeadApple 23rd May 2011, 3:37 AM edit delete reply
DeadApple
well, I'm not one to comment often, but I figured I might as well add to the um...many upon many that have already said something simular.

I really enjoy your comic,and I think part of the reason I enjoyed your comic is that your art style really fit the tone and the mood of the comic.
I mean, it's not that the new style is bad. It's very good, but it really isn't the style you would want for a comic like this.
If you ever seen the show Gunslinger Girl, you might have an idea of what I'm talking about. There were 2 seasons, with the second season taking on a drastic change in the art. While the Story didn't suffer, the drastic change did distract me for a good few episodes, and it felt as if a few of the key characters lost some of there charm in the (drawing) translation.
I would love to see the new artist take on another project, he's very talented, but your art style fits your comic, and more importantly your characters better.


On a seperate note, Your comic IS on par with 8-bit Theater and Brawl in the Family, I read very few webcomics, and it take a very good plot and art style to hook me in. You manage to do both.
Genshiken 23rd May 2011, 4:17 AM edit delete reply
I like how everyone is freaking out over three frames.
Snoof 23rd May 2011, 5:04 AM edit delete reply
I actually liked the older art more. Dunno why.
CyberSkull 23rd May 2011, 5:13 AM edit delete reply
CyberSkull
I enjoy both styles of art. The new one will take some getting used to, of course. ;)
Guest 23rd May 2011, 7:34 AM edit delete reply
I like this better, except for Martello. She just looks so generically girly.
Tj Cat 23rd May 2011, 8:19 AM edit delete reply
Okay..
So..
I signed up and subscribed, and now I plan to comment. Lol, I'm a bit serious about this. I'm not gonna say this as an anon guest.

I'm a bit of a new reader. I tuned in around comic 64 or so, following a link from Potluck Comics. I saw Go and was just like, "...Is that a Toad?....Interesting. *click*"

When I saw the art, I was a bit surprised. Your art was really rough, and I gotta admit, when I started from the beginning, it sorta reminded me of DBZ. But I learned to get used to it, and now I really liked it.

Then I drop by today to read the new strip, and wow.
Let me say this. Obfuscobble is a terrific artist. I really like his style. When I saw the first panel, I could tell they were Goombas. I thought it worked, personally, so the haters can hate all they want. This is my opinion.
Then I saw the Bomb-ombs. Alright. Not too bad. A bit steampunkish, they look pretty neat. I'm loving their little legs, lol. I could get used to this.

Then we come to the captain.
My first thought: "Holy ****....She's um..hot?"
My second thought: "....****. New readers are gonna see this, and they''' flood the interwebz with Rule 34 art of Martello."
And the sparkles....wat?

SHE DOESN'T LOOK BAD.
She just doesn't look a thing like the Martello I'm so used to seeing.
I also searched and found that McCoy pic that was mentioned....He was um..very pretty?
Nothing like the McCoy I was so used to seeing.

While I would love to see how the rest of the cast looks in Obfuscobble's style, I'm still a bit worried about him being the new artist.

I will still follow this comic, no matter how drastically the art is changed...But I have to say...Part of the appeal was not only the story, but your art as well. It meshed well with everything else. It was rough, yeah, but it fit the setting.
This art...not so much. It's beautiful, but I personally think it needs to be a bit more grungier or something...They're pirates. They're supposed to be a bit on the rough side.

If Obfuscobble does stick around, like others have suggested, see if you can find a middle ground between the two styles...and please give him some references or something to work off with the rest of the cast. Heh...Martello's a bit cuter now, sure, but she's not Martello...She's too...I dunno. She looks like she spends more time on how she looks than her character suggests (which with the way she looked earlier, she's probably like me. Screw the brush. Just wake up, get dressed and go).
Tj Cat 23rd May 2011, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
I hate typing long comments. I always leave something out.

I forgot to mention that while I understand that you may not think your art is any good and the harsh criticism worries you....Are you seriously going to pay attention to comments on 4Chan? I've never heard of the other sites you mentioned, but Bad Webcomics Wiki sounds horribly like Encylopedia Dramatica for comics. >_>;
They're all trolls. Forealz. Don't listen to them.
Boren 23rd May 2011, 8:27 AM edit delete reply
Hello long time reader first time commenter
The new style is different...not truly better or worse, the one thing I will say is it seems more detailed but more...mangaish. As to someones comment earlier that the captain looked 'prettier' I think thats just the higher level of detail I always had the impression that while one tough lady she would have been considered quite attractive by the standards of this world. Anyway give it a few more strips man let us see more of the cast done up and lets see how it looks. You have an awesome story and if you feel sub-contracting the art is the way to go then go for it.
Dry Guy 23rd May 2011, 8:58 AM edit delete reply
Jeez, quite a bit of hostility around here. I'm going to say I don't care about what happens with the art, since I read this for the story. The writing is the main draw of the comic and while I liked the old art, I'm willing to support this.

At the moment I'm more disappointed with the fandom for this incredible fear of change. What's going to be all that different about it? Morganstern's still telling the story.
Huge Fan 23rd May 2011, 9:44 AM edit delete reply
Woah, I didn't think I would ever type these words, but Martello looks downright sexy! I actually like the new art style, but your old one was fun too. Honestly, no matter how you choose to go forward you should ask this artist to do a large wallpaper sized character spread, that would be so cool!!
Oarboar 23rd May 2011, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
Oarboar
@Dry Guy and Genshiken: Well, excuuuuuuuuuse us for liking Morgenstern's artwork. :rolleyes:
Chiming In 23rd May 2011, 11:07 AM edit delete reply
I look at and dismiss a lot of webcomics, probably before they have a fair chance to show their true quality in writing and setting.

What made me stick with Mushroom Go was the artwork. Your interesting "deconstruction" take on the world of Mario was also a good seller, but the unique charm of your shading and style grew on me.

The new style is fine and technically proficient, but as everybody and their dog has said, the old art was very much part of the package in my mind, and changing it changes how the comic feels. I have endured badly drawn comics where I have wished the artist would skill up, and then I have read Order of the Stick, XKCD and 8-bit Theatre. Mushroom Go belongs in that second group. I'm certainly going to stick with the comic regardless of art style, as I'm well hooked on the story by now, but there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with your art and I think you are selling yourself short if you believe there was.
Chiming In 23rd May 2011, 11:11 AM edit delete reply
And yes, Martello being "off-model" is certainly a larger problem than the rest of the new art.
Okami 23rd May 2011, 12:32 PM edit delete reply
First of all I believe you are a genius when it comes to this web comic. everything you have done with it is right, and a new artist to ease your burden with your schedule is a defiant plus. One thing I noticed though is that in all three panels the art style differentiates a bit. and looking closely the second panel actually looks like a well refined version of your style. If you could get Obfuscobble to keep the style some what close to that I think you might get a lot of readers to come to a decent medium. I am not bashing their skills in any way what so ever just noting my personal opinion. Being a one time art student I know just how hard it is adjusting art styles if change is even in the vocabulary of the artist. I just figured this $0.02 would help in a little brain storming but once again this is your baby raise it to be the lovely bastard child of an angels abortion you want it to be :P
Kris Overstreet 23rd May 2011, 12:41 PM edit delete reply
I strongly dislike the new art. The goblins or whatever they are in panel one don't look like they fit in anywhere with what we've seen of Go's world up to this point. And Martello's pose in panel 3? With the horrible McFarlane hair, two hands gesturing with no apparent connection with what's being said, like Martello is inviting someone up to her room? The hips... yech. Your art was rougher, yes, but it was also simpler- and, for purposes of a fantasy comic, better.
Madness 23rd May 2011, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern! Just look at all of these people (including myself) who say they liked the old art better! (lol, Mushroom Go pun...)

We aren't your mom. We aren't "just saying it". We mean what we say. Please, please, please go back to drawing it yourself.
GreenIntern 23rd May 2011, 1:22 PM edit delete reply
@Cassiopea
I'm sorry for enjoying the comic, and wanting to share it with some other people. That Obfuscobble and Morgenstern happened to both be watching the comic and link up afterwards for this test-partnership is through no fault (or direction) on the part of myself, Pinstripe, or Catling.

I agree that the new style change is abrupt, but it's only a test. I believe that there is some happy medium that can be created in the artwork which will allow for cleaner lines (courtesy of 'scobble), and 'classic' designs (by Morgenstern). Morgenstern still gets final say on overall design in this partnership, I assume.
GreenIntern 23rd May 2011, 1:47 PM edit delete reply
I really don't mean to be so defensive towards the art change, but I feel like Obfuscobble (and Morgenstern) are really getting ganged up on.

I also see that some people were annoyed by the stream's ripping on the comic. I assure you that we genuinely enjoy Mushroom Go. There were some compliments that probably were a bit backhanded in retrospect, but we're used to looking at true PoS comics like Dominic Deegan and Pibgorn.

As for what we meant by "anime," I was referring to the Japanese animation (particularly Shonen series) inspired poses, action shots and dramatic timing that permeate a large proportion of amateur and professional artistic works, especially on the internet. When I can draw a direct parallel between Dragon Ball Z and a panel in a comic about Mario Universe Characters, it is "anime." Maybe I should have said Manga?
Pinstripe 23rd May 2011, 1:50 PM edit delete reply
@Cassiopia

Cassie, do you understand me now? Sometimes I get a little mad. But you know no one alive can always be an angel, and when things go wrong, I seem to be bad. But I'm just a soul whose intentions are good - oh, Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood.
The Good Wario 23rd May 2011, 1:55 PM edit delete reply
The Good Wario
dont worry pinstripe, the armagedon perdiction was fake!

you can rest easy now
GreenIntern 23rd May 2011, 2:03 PM edit delete reply
I'm sure someone already said this, but it's likely buried now in the comment storm.

If this art change happened over the course of a month, or two weeks, or even a couple of days, there wouldn't be nearly as much of an outcry. Things are being sorted out, I'm told. Pay no attention to the Obfuscobble behind the curtain.
Rage-Nakasa 23rd May 2011, 2:34 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
all our comments are all buried and smashed together as two opposing forces.
Ones who don't like this new style.. and those who do.
The stage has been set for battle and both armies are ready to go. I wonder what will be the straw that breaks the camels back...
Pinstripe 23rd May 2011, 2:50 PM edit delete reply
@Rage-Nakasa

I think that's when Loki kills Baldur.
Abysson 23rd May 2011, 3:43 PM edit delete reply
I won't do into some intensive arguing or whatever. Enjoyed your old artwork, but I have to admit this one is great as well in my opinion. And I would personally like to see more of that one.
Random Person 23rd May 2011, 4:31 PM edit delete reply
Those guys in the first panels are Goombas? They look like ogres. o_o

On a more relevant topic: I loved the old art style. It was unique. It was a bit gritty. Martello didn't look like a sparkily Mary Sue; she looked like a hardened fighter. This art style is nice, but it doesn't fit with the darker and more realistic Go-Verse.

My biggest problem with this new style is that it's just... so... I've seen this sort of style before and it doesn't fit the story. Especially not Martello's new look.

This is your work, but the old art style is in my opinion more interesting thank this.
BlueMario 23rd May 2011, 5:11 PM edit delete reply
No offence meant to the other artist, but I prefer your sketchy-style artwork more
Geriatric 23rd May 2011, 5:12 PM edit delete reply
Awesome story. I don't like insulting people but the old artwork was pathetic compared to this. (Although I do feel your art suits the comic's theme better) Anyway, stick to it. Very entertaining.
Whistle-tall 23rd May 2011, 5:20 PM edit delete reply
It's... awkward. The transition, not the art. The art is incredible, but I think that this doesn't fit the comic. I honestly took a first look at what I currently know is Martello, and thought "Who is that?" Although it would be very interesting for Go's dream sequences to be rendered in this style, it just feels off here. Perhaps there is middle ground though. I.E. not quite this style, but not fully the way it was before. Any which way this goes, I shall read on.
Osa 23rd May 2011, 5:37 PM edit delete reply
Dear god comment storm. I'll just say this and get out of your hair. Your story hooked me from the get go, as long as you continue to deliver on that end I will continue to visit.
wr4ith0 23rd May 2011, 6:54 PM edit delete reply
wr4ith0
the art is beautiful, but the change, not in skill, but the feel of the style really threw me for a loop
Macronomicon 23rd May 2011, 7:54 PM edit delete reply
But... but... I LIKED your drawing style. Well, hopefully we see a return to it eventually.
Cammiluna 23rd May 2011, 8:00 PM edit delete reply
Cammiluna
These comments would be easier to read in a forum post.
geekgrrl 23rd May 2011, 8:16 PM edit delete reply
geekgrrl
I just listened to both parts of the ustream, and I really do believe that GreenIntern, Pinstripe, and Catling enjoyed it and weren't overly insulting. I understand wanting to defend your favorite comics, but they really had a lot of fun reading it, and it showed (not even including the fact that they have posted THE SAME STUFF here)

As for the art: I think you need to give Ob some time, other fans. This is ONE STRIP, with only one full-face view of a main character, and that is in dark lighting, so you don't get the whole effect of how the comic will be run. I do understand that Martello looks a little to girly, but this is, I repeat THE FIRST STRIP so far in this style. The character designs will, I believe, stick to the spirit of the character in the end. I liked Morganstern's work, and it is what originally drew me to this comic, but the new wok is stunning and grab me just as well. Once Ob has had a chance to get the full flavor of the project going, I think it will be a wonderful collaboration.

Except for maybe those goombas. But still, the whole thing is good work, and I'd love to see that cast picture. :) Any new artist takes time to adjust.
Krimzon_Hammer 23rd May 2011, 10:53 PM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer
@geekgrrl
I agree, it is like trying to judge a book by its cover.
Starcat5 23rd May 2011, 11:16 PM edit delete reply
Starcat5
Cammiluna: I would have thought TV Tropes would have listed this reaction storm as "They changed it now it sucks" rather than referencing beard growing and shark jumping.

Now, as I tried to say before I registered, this art style COULD work, but the old style's Toony (or since people keep calling this Anime, Chibi) aesthetic worked better for the setting. This whole experiment would have worked better with a couple of weeks of advanced warning, and had started at the BEGINNING of the arc.

To sum up my earlier post: The goombas look like orcs, but than give ANYONE a Vampire Underbite and you could say the same thing. The Bob-ombs look VERY manufactured in this update, but than again, THEY WERE, so that is ok too. Finally, the Captain is off model, out of character, and needs a hair cut.

I'll hold out final judgement until we get a good look at the rest of the crew.
Chaos 24th May 2011, 12:15 AM edit delete reply
Morgenstern, your comic here is straight up awesome. I enjoyed the story, and even the artwork. This new artist is really going to make things interesting, so keep up the awesome work!
Chaos 24th May 2011, 12:30 AM edit delete reply
Yea double post time and all that.

I just went back through a read some of the other comments, and I have to agree with some of the points that are being made. The biggest one being how this new artwork plays against the story. Personally, I loved the older artwork. Edgy, gritty, unrefined, flawed, but it worked. It added another level of... (how the hell do I best put this?) feeling, I guess, to the story that worked well with the characters. It showed them for really being the colorful cast that they are.

I will withhold further judgement on the new artwork until I see where it goes from here... being inside of a dark castle doesn't do much to help with the view of the cast.

Regardless, I love the story here.
Broseph 24th May 2011, 1:22 AM edit delete reply
The new style isn't too bad..but it could stand to be a little more "crayony".
TheLastGarou 24th May 2011, 1:54 AM edit delete reply
I've always thought: If you don't vote, you can't complain.
That said, I have to say I preferred your artwork, Morgenstern. Obfuscoffle's work has potential, I think, but yours fit the comic better. I'm sticking around regardless, but I wouldn't feel right if I didn't put in my two cents on an issue like this.
Keep up the good work and know that your fans will support you whatever decision you make.
Muchiba 24th May 2011, 2:22 AM edit delete reply
New style is nice, but I think the best part in a web comic is see how the artwork evolve and change over time, so I vote for Morgenstern to keep the old artwork.
But if you really want to change, at least keep the Mario icons in chat balloons (cause I love that).
Ps. Sorry for bad English.

ExarArcian 24th May 2011, 2:57 AM edit delete reply
To elaborate on something I said earlier, and this is more to Obfuscobble (hope I got the name right?): dude, I think your art looks great. Way better artist than I am, and I think it looks great.

That said, if anything, DON'T introduce it mid-story. It's disorienting! I think that may be part of the backlash here. I'd love to see a short story arc done by Obfuscobble, maybe something about another part of the world or a character's past. That way people could judge it a little more objectively, because right now, it's like the actors changing midway through a TV show.
Tj Cat 24th May 2011, 7:10 AM edit delete reply
After reading more comments and going back and looking at the strip several times....I've gotta say.
I think we were all mistaken about the sparkle thing. :D
Lol, it's a dark castle, and you can see some light shining through. Have you ever just sat by a window on a sunny day, and saw all those lil' dust specs and what-not floating around in the rays shining through the windows?
I think that's what those are.


Just throwing that out there. :>
Steve 24th May 2011, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
HI!!! :P
DemonBlood 24th May 2011, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Just change it back Morgenstern.
I loved your old art, it was interesting and unique and just awesome. The thing now, it just doesn't fit. This, girl, she doesn't look like Martello, that's a model, not somebody who trained her whole life to be a soldier. The dramatic way she holds her arms somehow doesn't fit in for me and the Bob-ombs(Bom-ombs? Just know the name from german games) look totally shitty.
Please, change it back!
Rage-Nakasa 24th May 2011, 11:40 AM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
they just keep flooding in... more and more comments. I think I speak for everyone here to say we are starting to drown in them.
Plasma 24th May 2011, 2:04 PM edit delete reply
It's well-drawn... but the style is completely unsuited for the comic. It's not cartoony enough for what is basically a cartoon, the colours are bland and don't stand out at all, and DEAR GOD Martello looks nothing like a burly pirate captain! Thin arms, swaying hips, and /floating hair/?! No, can't like it, sorry.
OneOfTheNamelessRabble 24th May 2011, 2:17 PM edit delete reply
Allow me to add a few more drops to the container of comments. It has all been said: "We want your artstyle, Obscubble's doesn't fit." But the reason why it doesn't fit Morgenstern, is because Mario is by no means an anime, and Obscubble obviously is a master of anime(my opinion anyway). Your artstyle, while different, complemented your source material perfectly. Don't worry about if it is sloppy, or not as good. And don't worry about updates, your fans know how to be patient, cause we all love this story.
OneOfTheNamelessRabble 24th May 2011, 2:22 PM edit delete reply
Just to correct a typo, "Don't worry about if it is sloppy, or not as good AS YOU WANT." there, and now a message for Obscubble. Frankly, you have been given the short end of the stick. Mario is not good as anime material as say Zelda is. I'm sure you will better adapt your illustrations to Morgenstern's originals, but don't think that means we dislike your artstyle. It's good! Very good! Just be careful, (people dislike you just for your depiction of Martello.) So good luck, and may you get many commisions from this work! And now my favorite quote from Guy:

Guy:...
BlueMario 24th May 2011, 2:23 PM edit delete reply
Ok, just, wow. When I had submited my short comment on liking the sketchy-style more, I had thought I was bordering on rude. By my standards, most of these comments are just plain barbaric and unclouth.
I also find it ironic how some of the most rage-filled people seemed to instantly simmer down as soon as Morgenstan said his fair 2 piece.

But, seriously people? I just now looked at (not even half) of the comments, and this is what I was:
RAGE
RAGE
RAGE
calm person
other calm person, debating the art with CP1
RAGE AT CALM PEOPLE
EXTRA RAGE AT CALM PERSON SUPPORTING NEW ART
My self 24th May 2011, 2:32 PM edit delete reply
I actually liked the older artwork better
Not Important 24th May 2011, 2:45 PM edit delete reply
Okay, listen. I've been following this comic for a while, along with about a dozen others. I just want to say this:

This is good artwork. But it isn't the artwork for Mushroom Go. I'm not trying to be mushy or anything, but serious. The major thing is, the change was abrupt.
Most other comics, web or otherwise, change gradually as the artist improves or experiments. If you compare the very first Brawl in the Family to the latest, you'd hardly know they were the same comic.
Not Important 24th May 2011, 2:48 PM edit delete reply
Also, I like the art, but I want the old art back. If the new artist whose name escapes me wants to show off their work, fine. But I think it would be more at home in a comic of its own.
I liked the previous art because it had style, it had character. So yeah. This good, just not right for this.
Bonz0 24th May 2011, 3:04 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
@BlueMario
"Unclouth"? I think you mean "uncouth", you fucking moron. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Who the hell are you to determine whether we're raging or not? Who do you think you are, man? You have the audacity to call us clumsy barbarians when you yourself are obviously lacking in elegance and refinement? What the hell were you thinking when you typed that?
GreenIntern 24th May 2011, 3:23 PM edit delete reply
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

I think you need some relaxation time away from the computer, Bonz0.
Spriteless 24th May 2011, 4:07 PM edit delete reply
The pose and shininess of panel three are a bit odd. I keep looking at Martello and wondering how she's spinning and jumping to get her hair like that. : P It is normally so straight. Not that the old art style did not have its share extreme poses.

Panels 1 and 2, however, are beautiful. 1 gives off the atmosphere of an assembly line well. 2 has pink bombs walking the line between robot, critter, and soldier.
Guest 24th May 2011, 5:06 PM edit delete reply
Now that my initial reaction has simmered down, I would like to say that I can get used to the new art, if AND ONLY IF the characters are drawn THE SAME as they always have been, I dont mean EXACTLY the same style of art, just the same design, rather than a COMPLETELY different character design like we see with Martello here.
Arrakis 24th May 2011, 5:15 PM edit delete reply
Ok now, I've looked over the comic for a few days, read through the archive again and read over all the comics and feel I can make a fairly good opinion.

When I first saw the new art I was not happy in the slightest, it was too detailed, almost cluttered compared to the older style. As time went on I grew to see the good points to it and I feel that if this is how the art will be then I can accept it, if not feel happy about it.

Morgenstern, you say that you want to hire an artist because you think that your art is holding back the comic, but like so many others here it was your distinct art that drew me to the comic. It has a character to it as much as McCoy does.

Watching your art improve over the course of the comic is nearly entertaining as the comic itself. Don't listen to any third party sites that criticize you as a lot of them just want an entertaining article and don't actually care about the comic in question.

If you do decide to continue to draw your own comics then don't worry so much about being late or pushing back the release schedule, Nuzlocke hasn't updated in months and I still check back everyday, your fans won't abandon you no matter what you do...unless you stop making these of course.
Guest 24th May 2011, 5:51 PM edit delete reply
^^I Totally agree
Kyo 24th May 2011, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
Kyo
I think it looks better, but I think it wouldn't be impossible for you to get there, either. Your art isn't terrible, it's good. Good enough for people to give the comic a chance, obviously. I don't really feel like you need to pay someone for the art. Keep improving your art and you'll get there yourself, for free.
Bonz0 24th May 2011, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
It seems my not-so-subtle use of sarcastic self-demonstrating hypocritical humor is lost on you, Green Intern. How unfortunate.

Just for the record, though, your reference only works when someone says "Who the hell do you think WE are?", not when they say "Who do you think YOU are?" (which is less a declaration of one's own power and more of a questioning of your opponents authority and credibility) and "hell" in completely different sentence.

Just saying, man, it's a bit of a stretch. Or maybe it isn't. I'm not sure because I've never actually watched the show.
Hmm 24th May 2011, 5:54 PM edit delete reply
You know, Just fix Martello, please dont let this be a permanent change to the characters, I like the old captain of the chainless, do you really want to change the appearance of her THAT much? It's just not the badass and yet sexy character I love, I actually found her more attractive the way you drew her, I just like girls with that personality of hers
Morgenstern 24th May 2011, 5:54 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
A couple of things probably need to be said; for the record, I've been coming back to this page every day and reading every one of these comments.

First and foremost, the reactions from Bad Webcomics Wiki, 4chan, etc. weren't actually bad; the reactions ranged from "this is alright" to some of them actually enjoying it. That's actually what got me pumped that this comic could make it HUGE, that even people that normally hate this sort of thing seem okay with it.

The art decision wasn't something I was pressured into by internet bullies. It was a decision based on me wanting to put out the best quality comic that I possibly can, and I need to at least humor the idea that the best comic possible might not be drawn by me. This isn't the first time I've tried something silly for the sake of seeing if it sticks; gradient shading, pure ink, etc lasted about a page or two when I tried those, though I'll admit this a much grander change for me to just suddenly pull out for what might only be a few pages.

That being said, the experimentation aspect of this is in full swing, and both me and obfuscobble have been paying attention to everyone's comments. Saturday's will be more of a compromise in art, with him attempting to bring his level of polish while maintaining the original style. This page was very much a jumping off point, with the thought of seeing where we'd go from there.

I'm sorry to everybody that's felt offended by this or otherwise put off. I'd have given more of a heads up, but I didn't really think the reaction would be so negative; I was incredibly excited by the prospect of the comic having better art, and thought this would be a totally awesome surprise. (Whoops.)

Alot of the missed tone, the change in visible characterization on Martello, stuff like that... well, alot of it I just didn't even catch myself until it was brought up and discussed, but I was kind of swept up in the moment. I guess that goes hand in hand with the experimental thing. With any luck, this next comic will be a little closer to making everyone happy. I know everybody's attached to the sketchy, rough imperfections of the original style, I do really badly want this comic to be... well, the best that it can be.

Hopefully, obfuscobble and I can find some middle ground that brings forth the better, more consistent artwork without losing the personality and charm that attracted alot of you to the comic in the first place.

I do want to thank everybody for their support, their comments and everything else; this is the most comments I think the comic has ever gotten on one page, and I hadn't realized just how much the "feel" of the old pages meant to everyone.
Morgenstern 24th May 2011, 5:57 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
And Martello will be looking more Martelloey
Kyo 24th May 2011, 6:02 PM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer 24th May 2011, 6:29 PM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer
@Morgenstern
I'm looking forward to Saturday. :D
Arrakis 24th May 2011, 6:43 PM edit delete reply
Glad to hear that you guys are working on it. Now I feel bad for my excessively long-winded opinion >_>
Madness 24th May 2011, 7:11 PM edit delete reply
Dear Morgenstern,

Thank you, for caring enough to come back here and listen to the trolls. I understand your motives, but please take a second to try to understand mine.

Madness 24th May 2011, 7:12 PM edit delete reply
Do you have any artists you like to follow? I follow you. I like to watch you grow in your writing and art--not one or the other, but both together. Now, you've hired someone to draw your characters for you, despite the fact that it is unnecessary, and you even promise that a newer experiment will look similar to your old style.
Madness 24th May 2011, 7:12 PM edit delete reply
I call that, fixing what wasn't broken and replacing a perfectly good part with an overly expensive (but not exactly functional) alternative. In this new comic, you are still writing the words, but they come out of someone else's mouth; they come with a different voice behind a different face in front of a completely different background, and end up with an entirely different meaning.
Madness 24th May 2011, 7:13 PM edit delete reply
Martello's lack of Martelloness is not the point, the problem is the complete and utter lack of you. "Change is good" is an argument I've been hearing, but I don't want to change from following Morgenstern to watching Obfuscobble. I've had chances before to watch Obfuscobble, but there is a reason that I'm watching you instead. Obfuscobble in only a fan artist, and yes, he absolutely has the potential to be something more, but let him achieve that elsewhere. I don't want to leave because of him, but I will if I have to, along with half of your fanbase. Apparently, we don't have the same opinion of your art as you do.
Madness 24th May 2011, 7:19 PM edit delete reply
I don't mean that as a threat of course...just an observation, an announcement of my own intentions, and a round-a-bout way of suggesting that you might be at your best when your doing it yourself.

With no offense meant to Obfuscobble, again--I did say that I think you could do very well with your own comic, your style is very pretty.
Madness 24th May 2011, 7:38 PM edit delete reply
(thought I'd get all of my trolling done here and now...)

Then:
http://egscomics.com/?date=2002-01-21

Now:
EGScomics.com
Madness 24th May 2011, 7:44 PM edit delete reply
EGS is now updating every single weekday, if that helps to prove the point.
Hoshi 24th May 2011, 7:53 PM edit delete reply
Dear Big M,
Thank you for paying attention to us, even us who were rather lousy when it came to telling you our feelings.
A compromise is something I can see working. <3
hmm... 24th May 2011, 7:59 PM edit delete reply
uhh... maybe you should sketch us a filler comic to keep the raging fans under control...and to save my scroll bar from disappearing!
Madness 24th May 2011, 8:31 PM edit delete reply
I will not be placated with filler!
Madness 24th May 2011, 8:33 PM edit delete reply
Eh...sorry...I went a little overboard with that one...
futurevgd 24th May 2011, 8:53 PM edit delete reply
in urelated news i think this page has the lowest rating of all the other pages. weird...
Bonz0 24th May 2011, 8:59 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
Oh, yes. Four out of five stars. How dare we declare that this comic is slightly worse than the others after it came after a delay, changes the art style, could have been summed up with "Enemy units approaching" as far as plot advancement goes and does not include anything new. How dare we refuse to give every comic a PERFECT score.

Many of you seem to have forgotten that this is NOT the first time we've seen goombas. Personally, Morganstern's representation of them was much more accurate and exactly what I would imagine they would look like in a realistic setting.
futurevgd 24th May 2011, 9:00 PM edit delete reply
also i can't spell. that is all. thank you.
Madness 24th May 2011, 9:18 PM edit delete reply
And to think, it feels like it was so very long ago when I first read this comic, thinking it was fan-filler.

I remember, I thought, "Well, that was...really something. At least this isn't the way the comic always looks!"

...and then I read Morgenstern's commentary.
Futurevgd 24th May 2011, 9:22 PM edit delete reply
@bonz0 do you sit at your computer refreshing every five minutes? also while i dont like the change anymore than the next guy or girl the reactions to it are extremly hostile. i was simply remarkng on the fact that through out the history of this comic this page got the lowest score.

Also about the title 'Enemy Units Approaching' tat is exactly what could be said about a lot of the reactions including yours. These reations are all very hostile and are exactly the kinds of reactions that you tell morgenstern himsf not to worry about and then you turn around an do it to another artist? how does it go? "do unto others as you would have done unto you." now that doesnt comletly apply here but its good enough for now.
Madness 24th May 2011, 9:31 PM edit delete reply
@Futurevgd

I agree with Bonz0-- "Do unto others as you would have done unto you"

As an artist myself, I would certainly want my fans to let me know if I were making a huge permanent mistake that people were at best, content with, and at worst, wishing they could self-lobotomize.
Bonz0 24th May 2011, 9:44 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
*sigh*
Let's see if I can decipher this. Have you heard of this internet browser called "Firefox"? You should probably download the latest version of it. I'm pretty sure it has a built in spell-checker. It's rather impolite to criticize someone while simultaneously forcing them to read through such a mess, whether you warn them about it beforehand or not. Don't add injury to insult.

So, let's get started then. Do I sit at my computer constantly refreshing? Hmmm. Ok, first of all, what's it to you? Why do you care? What does it have to do with anything? I assume it is thinly veiled insult of some sort. Oh well. I couldn't really care. I spend more time on the internet than you. You're cooler than me by miles, surely. Whatever makes you feel big, man. I suppose I should spend some more time outside at the bright and sunny hours of 8-11 PM. You totally win this one dude.

As for the rest of your post...ugh. I'm tired, so I'm just going to say that flaming a webcomic artist on a site like 4chan or badwebcomics wiki when you can just NOT read that comic is much, MUCH worse than criticizing an artist who has suddenly started to illustrate your favorite webcomic. You can't just ignore it like you could with some random webcomic you just completely hate.
Azureink 24th May 2011, 11:17 PM edit delete reply
Madness has a point. Art and Story coming from the same individual has more of an impact than either alone. By focusing on just one of them and leaving the other to someone else, the fan is deprived from the full originality and evolution of the form (comic). Please consider this in mind.
Pinstripe 24th May 2011, 11:28 PM edit delete reply
I think there has been some confusion here. Morgenstern is not saying he doesn't think his art will improve. Even if Obfuscobble takes over he intends to keep practicing and improving his own art. He's told me as much. And neither is Morgenstern abandoning the art to Obfuscobble - he's still involved in every artistic decision.
Now, the other major concern I've seen here is that, as good as Obfuscobble's art is, it just isn't Mushroom Go. The last panel in particular has a lot of people worried. But I've spoken with Obfuscobble and he is just as aware of the flaws in this page as you all, and he intends to improve. As Morgenstern as said, he and Obfuscobble intend to find a middle ground between their respective styles, and I know for a fact that the day after this page was posted they started exchanging emails between each other on how to improve things. So remember, while the art is by Obfuscobble, Morgenstern is still very much a part of this.
Pinstripe 24th May 2011, 11:28 PM edit delete reply
Now, I have some things to show you.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2523/page79panel1.jpg
This is the original version of the first panel of today's page. It was drawn up by Morgenstern and sent to Obfuscobble as a rough guide on what Morgenstern wanted. So, Obfuscobble took that layout and refined it. Comparing the two, they are basically the same. The Goomba designs in today's strip are almost exactly in line with what Morgenstern drew. What Obfuscobble did was take Morgenstern's original layout and, using his own considerable talent, refined the art and gave it a more dynamic angle.
Pinstripe 24th May 2011, 11:29 PM edit delete reply
http://imgur.com/kJCK3
SA forums user Tesseraction used Obfuscobble's reference panel to match the color scheme. Would you say this works better? The Bob-Ombs will probably be recolored too.

And again, what Obfuscobble did was take Morgenstern's sketch and refine it. The only major difference I can see is that the Bob-Omb looks more mechanical (which I think is an improvement, more in line with Go's 'gritty' feel) and the differences in Martello that everyone is talking about. And I know for a fact that Obfuscobble is working on that problem, to make his Martello more in line with what Morgenstern wants.

What I'm saying is that, no disrespect to Obfuscobble, this is still very much Morgenstern's comic. He's involved with every page, from germination as an idea to when he posts it on the site.
Madness 25th May 2011, 12:07 AM edit delete reply
1.He is fixing a problem that never existed.
2. No one suggested that Morgenstern will never draw again, the appeal is to see his art evolve around a story of his own design.
3. Quoting my past post- "I don't want to change from following Morgenstern to watching Obfuscobble." Basically, I don't want middle ground, I want Morgenstern's Mushroom Go.
4. Yeah, the two comics are very similiar, the only differences are the most important aspects albeit the least obvious--the general tone that a group of sand pirates should have, Martello's overall expression, slouch, and general messiness. And we can't forget the other fan art he's done either-- that feminine picture of McCoy, for example?
Madness 25th May 2011, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
5. In conclusion, I wanna quote Azureink's wonderful summary, "Art and Story coming from the same individual has more of an impact than either alone. By focusing on just one of them and leaving the other to someone else, the fan is deprived from the full originality and evolution of the form". Summed up, there is no reason for Obfuscobble to be here. Kind of harsh, but I feel very strongly.
Vortex 25th May 2011, 12:18 AM edit delete reply
Jeez, cut down the hostility! He's just trying something new. A little abrupt, but sometimes things have to be done cold turkey. Most of us would prefer to have the art changed back, but I think we should see Saturday's comic and see what happens. This is just the first one, and we can't judge anything fairly on the test round.
Pinstripe 25th May 2011, 12:21 AM edit delete reply
Madness, Azureink's comment made no sense.
Pinstripe 25th May 2011, 12:24 AM edit delete reply
And again, that McCoy pic was from before Obfuscobble was the official artist. It was fanart. His official McCoy will not look like that. And, like I said, his Martello is going to change to address these concerns.
Mr Pibbleton 25th May 2011, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
Can anyone name a single Mario game that was made by one person alone?
Madness 25th May 2011, 1:19 AM edit delete reply
Games are very complex.
Rage-Nakasa 25th May 2011, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
seriously.. drowning here.. in all the comments.. *blub blub blub..*
Pinstripe 25th May 2011, 1:47 AM edit delete reply
Lennon/McCartney. Jagger/Richards. Taupin/John. Brown/Bruce. Lieber/Stoller. Holland-Dozier-Holland. Goffin/King.
Pinstripe 25th May 2011, 2:03 AM edit delete reply
@Madness
1. Morgenstern disagrees.
2. I was just making sure you all knew that Morgenstern was doing this because he thinks its best for the comic, and that he's not going to give up on art. I thought you'd want to know that.
3. You'll still be watching Morgenstern. As I demonstrated he's involved with the art from beginning to end. The only difference is Obfuscobble will be an intermediary.
Pinstripe 25th May 2011, 2:06 AM edit delete reply
4. You have only seen one sand pirate in this page, and Obfuscobble is working hard to improve his design. The picture he did of McCoy was fan art, he won't look like that in the comic.
5. There's no basis for this. Partnerships produce wonderful things.
Anyway, that's the last comment I'll be making on this page, unless someone has a question for me or something. I really do love this comic and want what's best for it.
Madness 25th May 2011, 2:23 AM edit delete reply
Good bye, Mushroom Go, I loved you while you lasted.
Krimzon_Hammer 25th May 2011, 3:28 AM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer
@madness don't act like its a funeral. the story isn't changing, the art just leveled up, and Morgenstern is still running it.
DemonBlood 25th May 2011, 4:06 AM edit delete reply
@Pinstripe&Madness:
Pipe down both of you!
You to extreme about this, relax.
I, personally, still think the art is not cartoony enough, but Morgenstern said he'll change it, so wait for saturday, for fucks sake, and stop this stupid feud!
Arrakis 25th May 2011, 4:28 AM edit delete reply
@Pinstripe

Why does AzureInk's comment make no sense? It seems fairly straight-foward to me.

When a creator has complete control over the whole project he is able to match it as close to his vision as his talent allows, and most people here agree that Morgenstern has talent.

No matter how good any new artist is there will have to be compromises made simply from the two peoples vision of the page being different or from minor failures in communication. Simple as that.

Not saying that it's a problem, I just hate it when people say "That doesn't make sense." as a part of their argument.
        25th May 2011, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
The reason the comment does not make any sense is because collaboration is a common boon to all arts. Very few bands work based on one member playing all instruments - their music is the sum of the playing styles. Very few theatrical productions have a single actor who was also the scriptwriter - the performance is an interpretation, even if the scriptwriter directs. You think any books you read in the modern day are simply the author? You have no idea of the editorial process. You remember those classic superheroes Superman, Spider-Man and Batman? Think they were entirely created by one person? Try looking them up. All by a team of at least two.

A piece of work is not inherently superior because it is being done solo. That is the reason the comment doesn't make any sense.
Arrakis 25th May 2011, 12:46 PM edit delete reply
I agree to the part about teams producing great work, the evidence is everywhere. I still disagree about how his comment makes no sense however.

The act of a work being done solo does not inherently make it better in an objective sense, but on an emotional level it may. Strong feeling can cover a multitude of mistakes in a project like this. Just because someone made their opinion based on how they feel about the subject in a different way it doesn't make it nonsense, anymore than yours is about work being done better by groups and duos.

Rage-Nakasa 25th May 2011, 1:30 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
I know one person who makes games on his own.. by himself. and they are good games n.n hard as hell to win but good games with a huge following.. His name is ZUN. the genius behind the Touhou games.
Pinstripe 25th May 2011, 2:10 PM edit delete reply
@Arrakis
I'm sorry, that comment was very glib. Apologies to Azureink as well.
Our nameless commentator has more or less explained what I meant, but I'd like to add that I didn't mean to dismiss Azureink's emotions.
When I said it made no sense, I was specifically referring to this: "Art and Story coming from the same individual has more of an impact than either alone. By focusing on just one of them and leaving the other to someone else, the fan is deprived from the full originality and evolution of the form (comic)." The first sentence I disagree with, but that's totally subjective, and Azureink has a right to his/her opinion. The second sentence, however, I think is wrong on its own merits. We will all still get to witness the originality of the comic, as the man behind it remains the same. And we'll still get to watch the comic evolve - the only difference is that we will be watching Obfuscobble as well as Morgenstern.
Pinstripe 25th May 2011, 2:12 PM edit delete reply
@Rage-Nakasa
I believe Cave Story was created by just one man as well. Which is almost unbelievable, going by the quality of the game. Pixel is some sort of genius, I'm sure.
        25th May 2011, 2:18 PM edit delete reply
At no point did I say that multiple contributors makes a work better; the simple fact you extrapolated this is bizarre. You asked for a clarification of why "single person productions are superior" made no sense, and this was provided. No claim was made as to which was preferable or even sensible.

If Mushroom Go is better with Morgenstern's complete control over it, why is an artist of his choosing not allowed, and why are the fans allowed to make a decision that he can't?
Arrakis 25th May 2011, 2:38 PM edit delete reply
Ah, I'm sorry. I may have misread a few of your points and your intent. I assumed that along with a good number of comments you were just bashing his comment as a whole instead of just a certain aspect, due to the seemingly one-sided nature of most of the arguments I sort've lumped you with some others.

As to the subject of the artist, Morgenstern is allowed to do whatever he wants with the comic as he is the creator. My concern is that as it stands in this comic the art doesn't really fit, no need to say why as others have done so for most of the page. I'm sure that over the next few comics it's going to settle in to the established style and hopefully give Morgenstern more time for the story side of things, but if it doesn't then Morgenstern needs to be aware that people are just as fine with the way it was.

Sorry again for misinterpreting you.
Grimlock13 25th May 2011, 2:46 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
Has no one else seen that Steve striked again!!!
Not Important 25th May 2011, 2:54 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0? Just saying, I don't think sarcasm is as easy to decipher in text. Try being less subtle. Or more. I don't know.
Bonz0 25th May 2011, 2:58 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
I think I noticed it but...I kinda just phase Steve out now. Not worth getting upset over.
@Pinstripe
The two pics may look the same as far as clothing goes but I still think Morgenstern draws better anthropomorphic goombas than obfuscobble. That's the part we were complaining about, anyway. Not the dynamic angles or clothing or refinement. It was the fact that they don't look like goombas.
Rage-Nakasa 25th May 2011, 3:09 PM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
@ Grimlock13
I did... but I forgot to add something on my first drowning comment and well I dunno the original joke so I will stay out of it.
Bonz0 25th May 2011, 3:26 PM edit delete reply
Bonz0
@Not Important
Oh, come on, going on a profanity filled tangent all because somebody misspelled "uncouth" when talking about how people are being too hostile and short tempered? THAT wasn't subtle enough for you guys? Any less subtle and it wouldn't have been humorous at all.
Guest 25th May 2011, 4:58 PM edit delete reply
Hitler would have been more couth
Secret Agent 000 25th May 2011, 5:58 PM edit delete reply
On the topic of single-person productions, how about Dwarf Fortress?
It's not DONE yet, though it IS still a truly MASSIVE project (this is a game which, among bugs it's had, and fixed, are; "Flying creatures give birth in midair", "Eating a masterwork meal will cause the cook to suffer art defacement", and there are also bugs like your dwarves will melt in the rain (dwarven fat was set to melt at an unusually low temperature), among numerous other things. Just look up Dwarf Fortress...because Losing is Fun!). Oh, and one of the comments about it I THINK went something along the lines of this; "Dwarf Fortress isn't going to be a cheap fantasy world; it's going to be a cheap fantasy world GENERATOR."
cowbox 25th May 2011, 6:09 PM edit delete reply
This is not the end people, wait and see the comic on saturday, i mean this was a test strip and the new artist can change his drawings to look more like MushroomGo i mean its not like he has to draw Martello exactly the same as this time, he probably has read these comments and might decide to change his drawing style and if it diesnt work out morgenstern will continue drawing his way so relax people
Remix 25th May 2011, 6:40 PM edit delete reply
So long as Martello goes back to looking more tomboyish, I'll probably get used to the change in art style.
Futurevgd 25th May 2011, 7:56 PM edit delete reply
@Bonz0
1. firefox is unsafe (and sucks).
2. you keep coming to this page and commenting so i assume that you have nothing better to do.
3. You are critisizing me for going outside when you don't have a clue how nerdy i am. which is very nerdy btw.
4. it all seems the same standing on the outside. :)
5. more random gibberish. ^.^
Superkenkun 25th May 2011, 9:54 PM edit delete reply
I just noticed from the comparison picture, but Martello is kinda missing her GIANT CANNON OF DOOM in the Obby pic.
        25th May 2011, 10:20 PM edit delete reply
Obfuscobble has already been made aware of that.
Azureink 25th May 2011, 11:23 PM edit delete reply
To those who quoted me: Let me clarify that my position was based on Madness' previous comments. Morgenstern was both the original artist and story writer, and that is what some have come to respect and love. This combination of artist and writer have given this comic a certain flavor (form). Any change brought about by replacing the art or writing with another individual would invariability change the comic, the form. Even if it is a minimal change, even if it is for the better, it is enough of a change that it will not be the exact same as before. The form would still be different. This is a point of contention with fans. That it won't be the same. That it will lose something. Even if it gains something wonderful in exchange, it will still lose something. And that something might be enough to dissuade some to leave.

I will not leave over an art change, but I will always look fondly over what the comic was before. The specialness of its first form.
Azureink 25th May 2011, 11:28 PM edit delete reply
Azureink
*dissuade some into leaving.
B 26th May 2011, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
Lose one fan, gain a thousand.
Oarboar 26th May 2011, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
Oarboar
B = ignorant. See Bonz0's comment on 5/22 at 6:44 for an explanation why.

Solo vs. collaboration: Arguing that a solo effort is more pure is silly, but so is using Mario games as a counterexample. That whole line of argument was pointless. My contention is that Morgenstern's art and his story meshed quite nicely. Was it super rah-rah glitzy Hollywood glamour glitter art? No, but it didn't need to be.

However, let's see what Saturday brings. I'm skeptical, but this is Morgenstern's call, and I have much more respect for him than some anonymous fool who didn't know of this strip three weeks ago, so I'll just grab a beer and see what happens.

I still think that Morgenstern's selling himself WAAAY short.
fuzzy3158 26th May 2011, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
fuzzy3158
On a side note, is the comic back to updating once a week? I've been anxiously awaiting the next comic since yesterday and there is still no sight...
Therazan 26th May 2011, 10:27 AM edit delete reply
Therazan
Yeah, it's back on Saturday only; once a week is a bit long to wait for, but most people agreed it is worth the wait if it allows him to put more work in each page
Rage-Nakasa 26th May 2011, 11:47 AM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
We are all waiting for saterday... to see how it goes.
BlueMario 26th May 2011, 2:18 PM edit delete reply
As far as I can see here, there appear to be three main sides to this:
One side WITH the new art (mainly Morgenstern)
One side AGAINST the new art (mainly BonzO)
And a pretty-much neutral side (ex me, and most anonamous/guest users)

And my side apears to be getting the most rage. How is that fair?
The Sons of Eccles 26th May 2011, 2:26 PM edit delete reply
Well you see, Blue Mario, in such a serious issue as the style of art used in a webcomic there can be no neutrality nor filty neutrals with their unbiased, laissez faire approach to life. And it is in that spirit that Switzerland must be razed to the ground lest they turn and give succour to the enemy, for if you, they and Mr Smith down the road with his pet budgerigar who whistles the Serbian national anthem do not stand with us then it's the same as standing against us, and we can't have that can we?
Snerky 26th May 2011, 3:40 PM edit delete reply
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ
Snerky 26th May 2011, 3:41 PM edit delete reply
RE: This debate
/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ
Snerky 26th May 2011, 3:45 PM edit delete reply
Snerky
Oh damn forgot to sign in can't delete fffff.
Twilcario 26th May 2011, 4:37 PM edit delete reply
D: Awww. Does that mean no more of the old art? The edgy style was one of my favorite things about it.
Dead Apple 26th May 2011, 9:32 PM edit delete reply
I think if they work the kinks out it's going to be an interesting change, I would still would rather have the old art style, but I have faith that Morganstern knows what he's doing.
If they stay in good communication with each other/rational fan input, then this could be the beginning of something good.
fuzzy3158 27th May 2011, 1:35 AM edit delete reply
fuzzy3158
@Therazan
I must have missed that discussion. I'm more the kinda guy who prefers lots of story progression even if it is at the cost of some art quality.
Oh well, guess I'm part of a minority with that.
Starcat5 27th May 2011, 1:41 AM edit delete reply
Starcat5
Less than 24 hours to go until we find out if this is going to work. *Sigh*

Also, and this goes out to Catling, Pinstripe, and Greenintern; I don't CARE if the writing is good enough not to NEED the charector-specific icons. I ~LIKE~ the icons for their OWN sake. I would MISS them if they were gone from the comic. ...there. I said it.

{Edit}
Fuzzy: You aren't alone, man. Some of my favorite comics are Sprite comics of all things. Not "Pixal Art", BTW: I mean specifically Ripped-From-Games, Lucky-if-there-are-ANY-custom-spritework, Inspired by Bob and George but nowhere NEAR as good, Sprite comics.
Cassiopia 27th May 2011, 3:31 AM edit delete reply
Cassiopia
@Starcat5 in regard to TVtropes, as a Semi-Official page editor, i felt that putting "They changed it now it sucks" so early in the game was a bad idea.
I do miss the character specific icons, and I was a little confused at first about who was talking on this page.
Is the person with no name you, Morg?
Evdog 27th May 2011, 5:17 AM edit delete reply
Evdog
@BlueMario: It's the internet. The mentality is "You're either troll or rage. There is nothing else". Since you're not raging, they think you're a troll, and thus, rage at you.

I too find it rather rediculous that ragers are still raging over last week's comic, even using profanity to make themselves "sound mature". The arguments for and against have now being recycled ad nauseum. Although this debate is not unimportant, some ragers need to occupy their time with other things (like employment).






































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Grimlock13 27th May 2011, 10:09 AM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
@The Sons of Eccles
Your comment is irrelevant and almost out of context(and the link that keep it in context isn't really worth it). Since you haven't made any comment before, added to the fact that your comment is of very low quality, you must be a troll(see the smiley face from Evdog comment). I would recommend you to apologize, but I know you are too proud to do so. So I will simply post this comment in hope that you take this bait and wage a war of word with me that will leave you frustrated and amuse me to no end.
Rage-Nakasa 27th May 2011, 10:10 AM edit delete reply
Rage-Nakasa
@Evdog
uugghhh.... please don't talk about jobs ore employment.. my hands ache just thinkin about my job...
Not Important 27th May 2011, 10:44 AM edit delete reply
@Evdog:

Profanity doesn't make you sound mature. It makes you sound profane.
Madness 27th May 2011, 12:50 PM edit delete reply
I also prefer keeping the little Mario icons. They were cute, functional, and canon--but then, I'm one of those who wants pure Morgenstern back...so...
Chaos 27th May 2011, 2:11 PM edit delete reply
Y'all need to ease up on the rage. While I agree that this was an unexpected bomb shell in more ways than one (pull your mind out of the gutter if you caught that one right away), they said that some changes will be made to adjust the style to some sort of medium.

Frankly, I think that a simple color palette adjustment would go a long way to bringing the original soul of the comic back and really getting this comic rolling back to the original direction. In any case, how about we do a few things here:

1) Offer constructive criticism. As much as I love to use profane language (and you had better fuckin believe that I like to use fuck, damn, shit, ass, bitch, and stuff a lot worse quite frequently throughout each day) this isn't the place for it. Say your piece quickly and keep it to the point.

2) On topic eh? Talk about this comic, not some other random site. Doesn't help.

3) Have a little patience. I'm reading this and a lot of other comics during my free time while deployed in a rather unpleasant location on a connection that AOL could beat back in 1996. If I can cope from going from a 15Mbps connection to a 128kbps, then y'all can simmer down and wait until the next comic, k?
I_am_Solid_Snaek 27th May 2011, 5:21 PM edit delete reply
Haha... most comments I have ever seen on a comic. It's crazy.

And profanity is for idjits who don't know how to communicate emotion effectively.
Obfuscobble is amazing, and I can't wait to see next week's, if it looks more Mushroom Goey.
And if Martello looks more Martelloey.
FORGOT PASSWORD AGAIN
DemonBlood 27th May 2011, 5:42 PM edit delete reply
I also want the icons back. They had style, were unique (haven't seen anything like this ever before) and made the story a LOT easier to understand.
Also I seem to have missed an "are" in an previous comment... this is what I call FAIL!
And I want to say I'm sorry to Chaos and I_am_Solid_Snaek for using the word "fuck".
You are right, showing my emotions is a problem I have to struggle with.
DemonBlood 27th May 2011, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
And, well...

MORGENSTERN ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I've said it...
Evdog 27th May 2011, 7:28 PM edit delete reply
Evdog
@Not Important: Everyone knows that...except for them.

@I_am_Solid_Snaek: Again? You need to write it down somewhere.
Hoshi 28th May 2011, 12:52 AM edit delete reply
And now we wait for today's comic... To see the results.
Krimzon_Hammer 28th May 2011, 2:57 AM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer
And to prepare for another comment page this long, or longer.
Morgenstern 28th May 2011, 4:45 AM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
I'm thinking it's going to be one of those "later on in the Saturday" kind of updates
DemonBlood 28th May 2011, 4:55 AM edit delete reply
NOT AGAIN!!!


How late exactly are talking here?
DemonBlood 28th May 2011, 4:59 AM edit delete reply
I SUCK AT POSTING COMMENTS! I ALWAYS FORGET WORDS!

It's "are WE talking here".
Starcat5 28th May 2011, 5:07 AM edit delete reply
Starcat5
Thanks for the update on the Update, Morgenstern. I can stop hitting refresh every half hour now.
I_am_Solid_Snaek 28th May 2011, 6:47 AM edit delete reply
I_am_Solid_Snaek
Ok, password recovered. I have noted it.
Thank you, Evdog. It probably would've taken me awhile to muster the sense to write it down.
Not Important 28th May 2011, 12:01 PM edit delete reply
@DemonBlood

1) Good things come to those who wait.
2) Patience is a virtue.
3) As late as it needs to be.

Take your pick.
Cassiopia 28th May 2011, 12:20 PM edit delete reply
Cassiopia
I am cautiously optimistic, and ready to edit the tvtropes page as soon as it is posted. BTW, you will need to edit your copyright if you are taking on Obby as an artist.
Spinnerlink 28th May 2011, 1:30 PM edit delete reply
Spinnerlink
my computer is so slow processing this page, and it takes awhile to respond.
That is because of all the comments...
DemonBlood 28th May 2011, 4:18 PM edit delete reply
I'll take number 2, thank you.

It's not that I can't be patient, it's that I hate things not beeing on time and when Morgenstern says the thing will be late, here in Germany it's sunday before it's updated.
Krimzon_Hammer 28th May 2011, 5:50 PM edit delete reply
Krimzon_Hammer
@DemonBlood
it's Sunday in Australia too.
DemonBlood 28th May 2011, 6:19 PM edit delete reply
@Krimzon_Hammer
That's cool, but the point still is that the whole thing was just a statement that I don't like things beeing late.
gUEST 28th May 2011, 7:50 PM edit delete reply
Clicking refresh about every few minutes.
guest 28th May 2011, 8:28 PM edit delete reply
I'm excited
RavenUp 28th May 2011, 8:34 PM edit delete reply
RavenUp
I just realized i hadnt posted anything yet o.O so here it is =D
And i too am anticipating the new comic. mainly to see what everyone looks like now =3
Ohh and what time-zone are you in @Morgenstern??
RavenUp 28th May 2011, 9:12 PM edit delete reply
RavenUp
Ohh and for the record i like you bob-ombs better
Guest 28th May 2011, 10:04 PM edit delete reply
it will be sunday in about an hour in NJ
RavenUp 28th May 2011, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
RavenUp
Already??
Starcat5 28th May 2011, 11:00 PM edit delete reply
Starcat5
An hour `till Midnight, CST. ...wonderful. Now I'm going to be back to refreshing every half hour all night again. -_-¡
Me 8th Jun 2011, 5:48 AM edit delete reply
I'm just wondering, does the name "Obfuscobble" mean anything in particular
Irrevenoid 16th Jul 2011, 1:05 AM edit delete reply
Obviously I'm late to this party. I pretty much agree with what was posted but want to add:

To me, half the point of having your own webcomic is as a project to grow and develop your own art style. Other considerations aside, it seems a shame to give that up after you've come so far.

P.S. Have you considered continuing to do the art but inking it with crisper lines? As an experiment at least?
Noah 17th Oct 2011, 12:48 PM edit delete reply
(Wow, it took me forever to scroll down to the bottom.)

I loved the old art style, it gave it life and it made it its own webcomic. It was really great. (Not to bash on who is drawing the comic now) but i really liked the old other style alot.
Ranter 19th Oct 2011, 4:50 PM edit delete reply
I like to come back here and reminisce...

It's like an old battle ground.
Ranter 19th Oct 2011, 4:51 PM edit delete reply
Not in the heroic way, the bloody and charred, way.

"Brother against Brother! To the death!" sort of way.
Pinstripe 22nd Oct 2011, 2:12 AM edit delete reply
I was looking back for a specific comment and all I could remember was that it was made after the art changed, so I started here.

God, I had forgotten how vicious this got...
King of Mario 12th Jan 2012, 9:53 PM edit delete reply
Yes, I claimed it and there is nothing anyone can say or do to make me relinquish it. I've earned. From the cradle to the present (23 years) I have stomped, roasted, tail smacked, dive bombed, froze, shattered, and brought every other form of death and destruction that can brought forth from the mind of Shigeru Miyamoto, praise be to him, upon all who would seek to challenge me. That rant aside, You, Morgenstern, deserve nothing less than the highest of kudos for your brilliant take on the Mario universe. Your immaculate attention to detail, insane ability to blend Mario's world with your own original ideas, and absolutely impressive storytelling and writing all combine together to make something truly one-of-a-kind. Now, I am a fan of both both 8-Bit Theater and Brawl in the Family and I think ScrewAttack kinda nerfed your talent by just putting you in the same sentence as them. I think they are both going to have beef up and run, Nay, sprint faster than Sonic on crack and meth (I vomit that I have to use his name in the same paragraph as anything having to do with Mario or anything Nintendo) to keep up with the juggernaut you have created in Mushroom Go. Well played good sir or madam (I know not which and do not wish to offend). Keep up phenomenal work.

I now direct my attention to the rage monkeys and troll faces out there.

To the rage monkeys: I already know what you are to try and strain and fry your little half-cell of a brain to rage about so I am nipping it in the bud. Yes, I love Mario games, but I am not a blind lemming fan boy. Mario Sunshine was an abomination and Paper Mario is a sad, sad, attempt to try and recreate the awesome that was Super Mario RPG. There, I said it and I don't care who knows it, I'm King and your not, DEAL WITH IT.

To the trolls: you should feel blessed I even wrote something for you. Your lives sent lurking the chans and just about any other forum are utterly insignificant. You can just go take a flying leap off of Mt. Don't-Give-A-Fuck into Scum-Of-The-Earth Canyon. And do try to jump head first, we wouldn't want you to survive now, would we?
TrollBrau 29th Apr 2012, 9:51 AM edit delete reply
Yeah...not even a quarter through these comments and I won't be finishing them. The sheer lack of maturity from the commenters on the whole part is very disgusting.

And I'm way past when this happened, but I don't have much issue with the art shift.

Is it different? Yes.
Does it lose some of the old feel of the comic? Yes.

Am I going to make rash judgements without seeing how it will evolve to meet the comic's soul and throw a temper tantrum like a spoiled 5 year old? No, no I won't.

Art isn't what defines a webcomic, the story does. The art can be offputting but real fans of a serial will stick with it to the end regardless of artistic shifting if the story is the same grade A quality we've come to expect.
pwag42 22nd Jan 2013, 7:39 PM edit delete reply
pwag42
And here I am, late to the opinion party, as usual. As I was looking back at the last of the stuff Obfuscobble made for this comic, I couldn't see why I had minded the art in the first place. Toward the end, either my perceptions changed, or the art itself leveled out, but I couldn't see my problem anymore. Ultimately, I think that my entire objections boiled down to one thing:

The bob-ombs.

The sudden art shift wouldn't have hit me nearly as hard if there hadn't been such an abrupt change from the bob-ombs of the previous page, which were, as Palma put it, "ADORABLE". I think that the new, deadly-serious-and-most-distinctly-uncute bob-ombs on this page were the exclamation-points on the sentence "New art style!!!!!" that scared me into thinking that the new art was a bad thing, which was a pity, because as the battle with the King heated up and Metal Go was introduced, this art style really shined, and made the actions of characters seem a lot more natural. I think that this art just got off to a rocky start is all, and we all should have been more patient to see how things panned out.