75. To dream is to reflect
Posted on 29th Apr 2011, 11:41 PM in 3. At Twisters Borough

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Morgenstern 29th Apr 2011, 11:41 PM edit delete
Early, even.

So after spending months--and I mean legitimately, months--trying to find a working copy of Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door, I have finally gotten around to playing it. I'd ran through Super Paper Mario, which was alright--I don't know, it just didn't really grab me all that much, though I'll admit it was good.

Thousand Year Door, on the other hand... hoh boy. I can barely put the sucker down to do... well, anything. When I'm not playing it, it's... staring at me. Gazing into my soul. Taunting me.

"Haha, silly man forced to socially interact with the outside world. You could be playing Paper Mario."

That being said, I haven't gotten very far yet... mostly due to the aforementioned "having things to do" problem (which I have been trying to exterminate for years, to no avail). I've already determined, though, that Goombella needs to be in Mario Kart/Party/Tennis/Sports/DDR/Nascar Racer/whatever it is Nintendo decides to start pumping out on the Wii2.

I'm tempted to touch that whole issue, but I guess I should talk about the comic instead.

First off, mad props to Top Hunter for showing me this, apparently from Sakura Con 2011. It's the second time I've seen Go cosplay (well, the first was technically a Halloween costume... I'll let the man in question fess up to it if he chooses), and it still makes me giddy. It's an incredible feeling to know that your work is seeing this level of devotion.

This is not the last we have heard of these particular antagonists. I won't say tooo much~, but I do have plans for them somewhere down the line. Not as consistently reoccurring villains, as a few suggested--though something along those lines is rising up sooner than later.

I didn't realize until later that the 1 on Palma's shirt looks a bit like a 7, giving this shirt a very different context entirely. Whoops.

Infamous Nefarious 30th Apr 2011, 12:09 AM edit delete reply
Infamous Nefarious
I loved thousand year door.... I was even 3 or 4 fights away from finishing it I think before life went screwey and I lost.... well... a lot.
Wasn't that that the one with Doopliss the copy-ghost? Heh... I remembered his name.

And hey.... those are most definitely not 1-ups.... 2-ups I'd believe.
Therazan 30th Apr 2011, 12:29 AM edit delete reply
Love the reference to Subcon! and the symbolic Birdo! And Palma less traumatized than Go even though it was HER who pulled the rope!
T 30th Apr 2011, 12:48 AM edit delete reply
Wait? What the heck is the one eyed tangled rope of death thing?
Bonz0 30th Apr 2011, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
Take another look at it, T.

Now think. What character recently had an unpleasant encounter wit some rope?

Also, don't think of it as being one-eyed. I thought that too at first and then I realized I was looking at it in the wrong way.

Now, what you should be more curious about is who this "Blair" person is.

corvuscorone68 30th Apr 2011, 2:32 AM edit delete reply
Blair is someone who we will be introduced to in due course of time, should the cartoonist so deem us worthy...it'll happen when it happens, no use fretting about it
Krimzon_Hammer 30th Apr 2011, 3:17 AM edit delete reply
I think Blair is the girl that go mentions in his dream (tenth comic).
Lukkai 30th Apr 2011, 5:17 AM edit delete reply
Well Therazan: Palma was quite out of it the whole time. I don't think she really got just what she did there. Only knew that she was pulling a rope and that this was of help somehow. And even if she knew, I'd gather from how she's turned, that she never really took a look at what she did.
Go on the other side had a prime view loge seat on the whole thing.
Top Hunter 30th Apr 2011, 7:32 AM edit delete reply
Honestly the whole rope Birdo thing is an excellent piece of juxtapostion. Really captures the dream-like state in a more realistic and thought-provoking way. Well done.

Also let us know if you're going to be at any particular conventions down the road. There's some improvements I'm planning to make to the Go cosplay, and I'm hoping I can convince my friends to go as the whole Chainless crew.
Taranth 30th Apr 2011, 8:28 AM edit delete reply
Has nobody else noticed the rather familiar-looking tentacles below the platform dream!Go is standing on? :)

Don't need to be a fortune teller to see some foreshadowing there...
Indie Poser 30th Apr 2011, 8:30 AM edit delete reply
Speaking of TYD, I think it's be sweet if the crew had a run in with the Pianta Syndicate. I can totally imagine McCoy being in debt to mobsters and not caring one whit. The ensuing battle could be epic!
Spinnerlink 30th Apr 2011, 8:41 AM edit delete reply
I am guessing blair is the girl he was talking about in the first few strips when he remembered there was no reason to go back. She had something to do with it.
Brawlfan1 30th Apr 2011, 9:25 AM edit delete reply
I must say I understand both how hard it is to find a working copy of PM:TTYD, and how awesome it is, have fun playing that AWESOME game. (Assuming you don't have more things to do, in which case, enjoy (if possible) NOT playing it)
Professional Mole 30th Apr 2011, 9:26 AM edit delete reply
Oooh, look, Go cosplay! *clicks link* Oh, wait, it's Imageshack. Daymn. :|

Well, I know one thing: that rope-birdo will be yet another addition to the horrible imagery my brain conjures for my nightmares, yes, sire.

Oh, and I didn't notice the 1 looks like a 7... it's not the same without that red dot, you know? :D
model S 30th Apr 2011, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
you had a hard time finding it? dude, i could have gotten it for you under $10 at my local gamestop, if you had said something i would have happily grabbed and sent you a copy of TYD. it's friggin epic. -thinks about peach in the shower- hal you lucky bastard of a super computer.
geekgrrl 30th Apr 2011, 10:28 AM edit delete reply
Thousand year door is a GREAT game, and never got repetitive to me, which happens sometimes with turn-based stuff for me.
And that is a fantastic Go cosplay. :P It makes me want to dress up like Palma.
Grimlock13 30th Apr 2011, 10:33 AM edit delete reply
Welcome to the world of dream, where Wart tried to take over the world many years ago. Good references.

@Professional Mole
Cool Spot(the red spot) is out for new adventure in the world. He may return one day.
Bluemario 30th Apr 2011, 10:37 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, I've owned PMTYD since I've had a Game Cube. I've completed it multiple (4-6 I dunno exactly) times, but i've never reached that ellusive 100% completion. Right now, I'm closer than I've ever been, only needing like, 20 more star pieces. MUST. TRY. HARDER.

My favorite PMTYD character is a tie between Koops and Bobbery. I also like the little Yoshi due, whom I always name Fireball.
Aikidoka 30th Apr 2011, 11:58 AM edit delete reply
I guess the "Man in question" that Morganstern is referring to is me..... Well you asked for it. Brace yourself for the epicness.


EKA 30th Apr 2011, 12:11 PM edit delete reply
Well, that was unexpected...

Y'know, at first I thought the Rope-Birdo was some boss or another from Zelda, then I remembered this is a kind of Mario comic.
Owl 30th Apr 2011, 12:35 PM edit delete reply
@Aikidoka: Win! XD
Knoppe 30th Apr 2011, 12:42 PM edit delete reply
OMG is like go sleeping naked? Does he and palma have something going on?
Whistle-tall 30th Apr 2011, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door was the first non-pokemon/on a console RPG I ever fully got into. I loved every minute of it... except maybe a few of the bosses, but even then I felt compelled to and enjoyed playing it. It was different perfectly, the humor always made me chuckle, the story was immersive, and it was always compelling to try and get even the slightest bit further. To me, the Thousand Year Door will remain a cherished memory and game.
Pac & Pal 30th Apr 2011, 2:15 PM edit delete reply
I've always loved TYD, and my solution to being bored after I'm done is the delete button on File Select. (Though I do keep one file finished to see what I missed.)

So... does anyone think Lord Crump was ANY use to Grodus?!?!?!? 'Cause I don't.
futurevgd 30th Apr 2011, 3:42 PM edit delete reply
that rope birdo made me think of majoras mask for some reason...
T 30th Apr 2011, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
I don't play very many Mario games Bonz0 so I'm not very good with Mario boss character names. I'm a bit more of a sonic person.
Metal D. Rose 30th Apr 2011, 6:14 PM edit delete reply
Metal D. Rose
Yikes! Poor Go. Looks like he's really traumatized by Birdo's (possible) death.

Also, I love TTYD. It's my favorite Mario game since it's the game that got into Mario. Shadow Queen = One of Mario's best final bosses.
Mr. Vareel 30th Apr 2011, 8:04 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel

@Krimzon_Hammer & @Spinnerlink: Is "Blair" a unisex name? I've only met one Blair (male), so I don't know.

@Taranth: I noticed the completely-unfamiliar-to-me tentacles. Could you please explain their origins (or post a link that does)?

@Palma's shirt: Bow-chicka-bow-wow! (Sorry everyone, I couldn't resist.)
MeowMixIsorCats339 13th Sep 2011, 2:54 PM edit delete reply
Whistle-tall 30th Apr 2011, 8:42 PM edit delete reply
Holy buck! I just realized that the moon(in that first panel is the Yoshi's Island Raphael the Raven boss fight moon! You sly son of a bill cannon, Morgenstern. I bet (nigh-on) nobody else noticed that! Good show, Morgenstern, Good show.
Grimlock13 30th Apr 2011, 9:19 PM edit delete reply
Good costume

Go is still sleeping in McCoy's room or he got a block bed too, which lead me to think that he don't sleep in Palma's room(she sleep in a hammock). That and the fact that there is not plant growing on the ground.
Link 30th Apr 2011, 9:30 PM edit delete reply
@Whistle-tall No, it was pretty obvious, actually. It's not like there's any other moon that looks like that.

TTYD is especially fun with the cheat that gives you 999 Badge Points. You're just untouchable with that many badges, even at a low level.
3 30th Apr 2011, 9:53 PM edit delete reply
TTYD is not a difficult game... it's well-balanced, actually. Cheats are for Contra and games like that.

I like Go's dreamscapes, they're very ominous.
Owl 30th Apr 2011, 9:54 PM edit delete reply
The weather where I live switched from 65 and sunny to 24 and snowing in the span of 24 hours. Then I came and reread this comic and stopped caring about the stupid weather. Thank you, Morgenstern!
Metal D. Rose 30th Apr 2011, 10:41 PM edit delete reply
Metal D. Rose
@Mr. Vareel I had a feeling you would say that. Lawl.

Although I'd love that shirt for myself. : P
Whistle-tall 1st May 2011, 12:32 AM edit delete reply
@Link: Firstly, if you're talking about how the planet the Mushroom kingdom exists on has only one moon, speaking in "scientific" terms you are correct. However, "The Moon" has only been incarnated as that patchy one with the two pillars coming out of it in one game(two if you count the game boy advance remake), and for the case of one very specific boss fight: Raphael the Raven. Hmmm... raven, doesn't that seem familiar in some way? Now put 2 and 2 together and you'll see why I mentioned 4.
Secondly,, if it was obvious, why did you need to restate that it was obvious? Anything obvious is unsaid, so why bother calling it out? Please ponder that for a bit and give me some meaningful retort. I would prefer my social cognitive processes corrected only if they are integrally and understandingly dysfunctional. (As a pre-empt, No, I am not joking at any point in this third part)

That's a lot of words. Sorry to all innocent comment readers!
Mythus 1st May 2011, 3:26 AM edit delete reply
I disagree with you, there, Whistle-tall. I've seen a lot of things that were obvious to me, called out. The moon statement which you say anyone could recognize, was the only point in the comic that I wasn't aware of. (because the only Mario game I've ever played was the original)
Krimzon_Hammer 1st May 2011, 7:12 AM edit delete reply
@Mr. Vareel
You make a point, but I think he is hearing Palma (A girl) speaking 's and thinking it's Blair.
Snerky 1st May 2011, 9:36 AM edit delete reply
Gasp! Palma's pupil!
And I only just realised that Subcon -> Sub-conscious :T

Nice strip, love a good dream sequence
Cassiopia 1st May 2011, 11:43 AM edit delete reply
What mushrooms do you use for PTSD?
Mr. Vareel 1st May 2011, 12:38 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
@Whistle-tall: (I know this isn't my argument, but I like to disrupt this kind of thing anyway.) It was obvious, but you stated "I bet (nigh-on) nobody else noticed that!” Stating that the moon was easily noticed is also stating that you've lost your bet. Unless the "nigh-on" made it a negative statement (you know what I mean), but I can't make any sense of that bit (the only definitions for "nigh" I can find suggest it is synonymous with "near" and "to wash").

@Cassiopia: I doubt there are. Maybe that's why Luigi is weak willed (compared to Mario). Uh...could PTSD have that effect? I don't know too much about. (For those of you who don't know, PTSD=Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I know that much.)

@Krimzon_Hammer: Point? What point? I made no point, I made a question (..."made a question" doesn't sound right). Λ question nobody has answered (which seems to happen a lot, like with my question on the tentacles).
Whistle-tall 1st May 2011, 12:49 PM edit delete reply
@Mythus: I don't believe I said that it was recognizable, in fact, the first part of my comment states the non-obviousness of the factual tidbit. What I was inferring was that it is the exact opposite of polite to yell to the public "Everyone knows this already" thusly making both the speaker and anyone of the speaker's audience look moronic. I don't believe in making people feel bad for no reason. Also, I aim no ill-will towards you, or anybody else for that matter.

PS Error correction for me(Yes, I make mistakes. *audience gasps*): "Secondly,," should have one comma, and the pre-empt was supposed to say "second part"
Mr. Vareel 1st May 2011, 12:58 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
Whistle-tall 1st May 2011, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
I just read Mr. Vareel's comment. Sorry, I should have said that it was a clever reference to have the Raphael the Raven boss moon in reference to McCoy, I didn't mean that it was an easily noticed moon. "Nigh-on" is another way to say nearly, another semantic error on my part. Also, who keeps interpreting that I'M saying it's obvious! If anything, I've unintentionally stated that it was not obvious.
Lastly, all I was doing was praising Morgensern's comic in my first comment. Nothing else. I intended no statement about anything else to any degree. I am sorry to all who were harmed in the wake.
PS Also sorry to all those who experienced brain damage from reading my long as heck comments!
Whistle-tall 1st May 2011, 1:11 PM edit delete reply
Postscript two: It takes me time to write these, so I miss comments when I do.
MeowMixIsForCats339 1st May 2011, 1:58 PM edit delete reply
@Spinnerlink whyn did you change your little picture thingie?

Therazan 1st May 2011, 4:45 PM edit delete reply
LMAO when Goombario says: "Ravens are short and chubby. They're pretty fluffy too. And somewhat cuddly. And soft."
Paper Mario rules.

Edit: Talking about Ravens, is it just me or McCoy talks a lot like Raphael the Raven?
Krimzon_Hammer 1st May 2011, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
@Mr. Vareel
Sorry I misread your question, I think it's a girl's name. it's probably because I don't know any guy with that name.
Grimlock13 1st May 2011, 8:58 PM edit delete reply
I know a guy that was named Blair, he was british.
That Guy 1st May 2011, 9:13 PM edit delete reply
That Guy
lets see Palma had a story arc and Martello had a story arc... kinda. So that leaves McCoy, guy, and Go. I'm quite sure that go will be the last character story arc though. So that leaves McCoy and guy.
RavenUp 1st May 2011, 11:10 PM edit delete reply
@That Guy Im all for McCoy having a story arc next cause Guy might end up talking in his own and i think that should be kept till later
PS: im kinda confused on the cherries meaning cause everthing must be relevant
Therazan 1st May 2011, 11:21 PM edit delete reply
@RavenUp It's just a reference to Super Mario Bros 2
Mr. Vareel 1st May 2011, 11:45 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
I was going to reply to a couple of things, but my brain isn't working well, so I can't think well enough to make a comprehensible reply. I guess I should dig out that copy of Brain Λge that I haven't played in probably a year.
Krimzon_Hammer 2nd May 2011, 3:21 AM edit delete reply
The Sudoku on brain training is great.
Evdog 2nd May 2011, 5:16 AM edit delete reply
One of my favourite parts of TTYD is ...the entire chapter with Twilight Town and Doopliss.

That, and the super-awesome cannon cutscene!
Becker 2nd May 2011, 1:22 PM edit delete reply
I've just gotten a tv to go with my gamecube (backwards I know) and now I feel compelled to go out and buy TTYD. This game sounds amazing just from the little bit I've heard about it here. But is it really that difficult to find?

Also, on the Blair name debate, I believe Blair is a unisex name, because I know a girl with that name, and Grimlock13 mentioned that he knew a guy with that name.
Mr. Vareel 2nd May 2011, 1:46 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
@Becker: Thank you, Becker! That clears up the “Blair” matter for me.

Unlike most web comics I read, I enjoy coming back to this one every day (as opposed to every update day), because someone as always put something interesting in the comments section.
RavenUp 2nd May 2011, 2:00 PM edit delete reply
@Mr. Vareel
i know i am the same way and
thank you Therazan for clearing that up
Bonz0 2nd May 2011, 2:01 PM edit delete reply
Hey, Therazan, did you ever get that message I sent you a few days ago?
Dry Guy 2nd May 2011, 2:07 PM edit delete reply
On all the references, I've noted:
- Subcon, the land of dreams, from Super Mario Bros. 2. Appropriate since Go is dreaming.
-Blair is definitely someone from Go's past, but I'll leave the gender issue alone.
-The cherries are just more Subcon imagery. I recall that getting a certain amount of the cherries will give you a star. Possibly something from Go's past, or just dreaming in general.
-The subspace door, another Subcon image. Entering them can give mushrooms and coins for extra life and points, respectively. Same as the cherries.
-The moon of Yoshi's Island, where Raphael the Raven is fought. Go could be thinking about McCoy or another Raven.
-The tentacles, which I'm guessing are Thrive, so Go may be afraid that Thrive isn't completely dead, or he's just reflecting on the experience.
-Rope Birdo. Go's having a nightmare about what he saw when Birdo was hanged.

That's my take, at least.
BlueMario 2nd May 2011, 4:19 PM edit delete reply
Perfectly honest question: what's with short shorts? I used to think them perverted, but I've see normal, not-really-perverted girls wear them.
Bluemario 2nd May 2011, 4:20 PM edit delete reply
@Mr. vereel
I agree
Canuovea 2nd May 2011, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
I'm pretty sure that the Blair being referred to is female, simply because Palma was the one trying to wake Go up, and that was the voice Go seemed to think was Blair's. Unless Palma has a more masculine voice than I thought... and I'm pretty sure Blair come up earlier, but I'm too lazy to check. I do vaguely recall a "her" or "she" being mentioned by Go (in his head) at some point, who may be this Blair person.
Spinnerlink 2nd May 2011, 5:48 PM edit delete reply
In Go's memory in the begining he mentions a girl and blair just sounded more girlier to me so i jst guessed it was a girl. I am thinking about getting ttyd because i have super paper mario for the wii, I heard ttyd is better than the one for the wii, and i like the one for the wii. I changed my pic because i am a spriter, and that was only a temporay profile pic.
Filthy Assistant 2nd May 2011, 8:50 PM edit delete reply
Filthy Assistant
holy crap how is this freakin thing so popular
Owl 2nd May 2011, 8:59 PM edit delete reply
@Filthy Assistant: 'cause it's freakin AMAZING! XD
Bonz0 2nd May 2011, 9:59 PM edit delete reply
Your comics might have become the popular ones instead, Assistant, but I didn't see any "Assfuck Jamboree" or "Good Times, Bad Times" advertisements on the website for "It sucks to be Weegie", did I?

Not that I would have clicked even if you did advertise. Sorry to break it to you but anthropomorphic Shy Guys in maid outfits are far more compelling than some random Robo Cop cliche or a few flying toasters.
Spinnerlink 3rd May 2011, 2:46 PM edit delete reply
This comic is what introduced me to comic fury and it is very good! You have tryed to tarnish its name!
Therazan 3rd May 2011, 4:04 PM edit delete reply
I'm in Paper Bowser's Castle, and after finding a thunder, a POW! Block, and a few other items, and now standing in front of another ? Block with a full inventory, i'm starting to wonder: Why, OH WHY in Koopa's name does he keep in his own castle so many items just there waiting to be used by his nemesis (Mario)!?

Edit: a Spiky Goomba even sold me a Super Mushroom!
RavenUp 3rd May 2011, 5:03 PM edit delete reply
its for the same reason that he always kidnapps peach even though he knows mario is there.
Grimlock13 3rd May 2011, 6:06 PM edit delete reply
got something good here:


It's from the guy that made the "Brawl in the Family" webcomic.
Therazan 3rd May 2011, 7:05 PM edit delete reply
uhh, Grimlock13, sry to point this out, but it actually IS a Brawl in the Family webcomic, it's just the video of it... and it is on my MP3 player i was lisening to it this afternoon.

And i,M kicking homoungous Star-powered Paper Bowser's 2D ass right now.
B 3rd May 2011, 10:28 PM edit delete reply
Your Kung Fu is strong. I'm enjoying this as much as any comic out there. Your storytelling skills remind me of Concerned. Thanks for writing!
Mr. Vareel 4th May 2011, 1:26 AM edit delete reply
Mr. Vareel
Suddenly, I want to see Frogfucious in the comic (not as much as a Shroob though). Uh...did I spell "Frogfucious" correctly?
Evdog 6th May 2011, 6:36 AM edit delete reply
@ Filthy Assistant: Quit trolling.
Link 12th May 2011, 7:56 AM edit delete reply
Oh FFS. I forgot about the character limit for non-registered users. There goes my counter-post. >=C

The gist of it was that I was refuting Whistle-tall's claim that "(nigh-on) nobody else notcied that", because it was immediately obvious to me.

Gah, it was such a good argument, too. <_<
Link 12th May 2011, 7:59 AM edit delete reply
I went back to play TTYD recently, and found that I had already completed it. 100% tattle log, badges and recipes. That's no fun. =C Especially since that was the second time I had beaten the game already.

That's what the cheats are for, 3. To liven things up. To break the rules for the sake of fun when everything's become stale.

Also, *noticed in my previous post ^_^;
Noah 15th Oct 2011, 12:48 AM edit delete reply
For the record, your webcomic is awesome! Its freaking amazing.
Also, for the record, Paper Mario is amazing as well. I am still looking for a copy of 1000 year door.
Noah 26th Nov 2011, 3:35 AM edit delete reply
Also, while Goombella would be great in any other game...Bombette is someone who needs to return for sure.

Still love the webcomic...actually reading it again.