66. All four / one
Posted on 31st Mar 2011, 4:55 PM in 3. At Twisters Borough

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Morgenstern 31st Mar 2011, 4:55 PM edit delete
Morgenstern
Man. If every strip were this easy to make, I could update all the time.

For those of you that missed it, this is an April Fools' Day comic. There was still a normal comic posted on Wednesday, don't worry. Likewise, there will still be a comic posted on Saturday. This was just sort of a bonus/joke/excuse for me to try inking something.

Speaking of which, I totally used this as an excuse to ink something. I've mentioned it before, I totally suck at linework, and I don't really feel like that last panel is really better than the usual sketchiness.

Maybe it's just me, though, I dunno. If you'd like to see the "inked look" more often, feel free to let me know. I'm still kinda trying to get a feel for what works best, at least until I can get somebody to do this sort of thing for me.

Whee.

Edit: Credit for the sprites goes to Blue Kirby, Crapcom and Sonikku of The Spriters Resource.

DSW 31st Mar 2011, 5:12 PM edit delete reply
DSW
The drawing of Go doesn't have the same pencil marks as usual. Which reminds me, you told me once that you darken the pencil marks in Photoshop to give it that neato look. Am I off or right?
Morgenstern 31st Mar 2011, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
Lol, yeah. I mentioned it in the comments, but I inked this one manually instead of leaving it penciled. Normally, I'd draw it in pencil, then scan it and use Photoshop level adjustments to darken everything. I've gotten better at cleaning it up, but I know some people still don't like the sketchy look, so I've been fooling around with alternatives.

I dunno what really works better, though.
DSW 31st Mar 2011, 5:22 PM edit delete reply
DSW
I actually really like the sketch lines. It gives the comic a lot more personality and character and makes the actions look more vibrant.
Vash_ts 31st Mar 2011, 5:27 PM edit delete reply
Nice dream ^^
Therazan 31st Mar 2011, 5:59 PM edit delete reply
Therazan
I said that a side view pannel with Birdo and Go HAD to be made! And for the record, even if it looks smoother in this one, i prefer your usual drawing style too. It adds some personality to your comic.

Also, have a nice April's Fool Day! Mine will be: it's the day I got my 1st kiss last year. When I refer to it, i say that a girl made me the Day's Biggest Fool... and that I'd fall for it again any time!
Fury 31st Mar 2011, 6:06 PM edit delete reply
Dreams sure are weird
Grimlock13 31st Mar 2011, 6:07 PM edit delete reply
Grimlock13
It is no april fool when I say that I prefer the sketchy line you usually draw for your comic.
Mr. Vareel 31st Mar 2011, 7:02 PM edit delete reply
What time zone is this being posted in? It's eleven o’clock, Thursday night here.

@Morgenstern: I vote you stick with the sketchy design. This looks...too...I don't know...cartoony? Ah, well. It's your comic, do what you want with it. Unrelated question: I got the 3DS and I’ve decided to make a Mii of Go. Do you want me to list you as the creator, or something? I’d be making the Mii, but Go’s your character, so… (I wonder how many grammatical/spelling errors I will notice after I post this.)
Pyromaniac 31st Mar 2011, 7:07 PM edit delete reply
While I like the inked look, it's a little harder to take seriously than the sketchy, penciled look. I agree with Mr. Vareel, it looks a bit too cartoony.
Morgenstern 31st Mar 2011, 7:09 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
It's 1:07 in the Central timezone, though I did post the comic a little early.

If people prefer the sketchy look, that's what I'll stick with. It just gets brought back up every once in a while, and I feel obligated to at least try doing something different. I ain't gonna fix it if it ain't broke, though.

And feel free to list the creator as yourself or whoever you feel like. It's my character, sure, but it's you making the Mii. Plus, most of Go's visual design (at least in his original outfit) was pulled pretty much directly from the typical Toad look, anyway, so his appearance is about as much done by Nintendo as it was by me.

I can't really get all that huffy over people using appearances that are only sorta mine in the first place. That's pretty awesome that you're making a Mii of Go, though.
Mr. Vareel 31st Mar 2011, 7:33 PM edit delete reply
Can't...find...square...eyes...ARRG! And what about the bandana? Well, I could use a beanie for that. Not perfect, but better than nothing…actually, nothing might work pretty well. That still doesn’t help the problem with his eyes thought… Dang it Nintendo! Thanks for the permission by the way, Morgenstern. Now I don’t feel like I’m violating a Copyright or something. Now, back to the Mii. Hmm… Wait a second! Does Go have eyebrows?
Mr. Vareel 31st Mar 2011, 7:49 PM edit delete reply
Oh, crap! I was looking through the older pages for reference on Go and I rediscovered McCoy's indecent exposure thing. He's just been at a party with alcohol for the last...uh...well, long enough to get drunk. I don’t want to witness indecent exposure! AIIEE! RUN AWAY!
Chat Lag Ate My Message 31st Mar 2011, 9:37 PM edit delete reply
The inked look is nice, but it loses the feel of the comic. I much prefer the sketchy style that you use. It gives the comic and its characters personality. Love the random sprite portion, though. XD Awesome stuff.
Professional Mole 1st Apr 2011, 12:28 AM edit delete reply
Heh, this was funny. :D

Now, about the "sketchiness". It looks cool here and there but, really, for every scene it looks just like... hm... like you're not caring. The stray lines don't ruin the mood(usually) or make it unbearable, but it's those little things that make me think a comic could really use a bit of improvement, you know?

...which is a way of saying that it's impressive that the joke comic looks better than your usual comic. :P
Nolim 1st Apr 2011, 12:32 AM edit delete reply
I like sprite comics. Well, some of them, anyway. It would still be a great loss if MG became one.
As for the ink... It looks better, but maybe that's the problem. It doesn't have that "tortured" feeling.
kromblite 1st Apr 2011, 12:54 AM edit delete reply
kromblite
I much preferred the sketchy lines. In this comic, the art style kinda looks... average, and a bit flat.
MattWL 1st Apr 2011, 1:28 AM edit delete reply
MattWL
Yeah, sketchy lines give it a.. edgy look. Like somthing action packed is about to happen
Steve the Mew hunter 1st Apr 2011, 1:57 AM edit delete reply
Steve the Mew hunter
best.


comic.


ever.
RedAuthar 1st Apr 2011, 3:15 AM edit delete reply
RedAuthar
SPRITES YAY!
Pho 1st Apr 2011, 3:45 AM edit delete reply
The sketchy style of the comic gives it an endearing, unique style. Please don't change it! It's part of what makes "Mushroom Go" so distinct to me. In my opinion, it's as key to the comic as your technique of anthropomorphizing the Mario Universe monsters is.
Triskelli 1st Apr 2011, 3:48 AM edit delete reply
Triskelli
Mushroom Go: The only comic where a switch to sprites is applauded.

Y'know, I didn't mind the sketchy look, but this inked panel has a lot of pop to it and I really like it. The thick outlines especially lend a cell-shaded look that really holds the theme of the comic together.

Still, it's your call. The tangents in the normal sketchy style do give it a distinctive touch, and make it look like an especially good crayon drawing if anything else. But that same quality makes certain details seem less deliberate, which inking the lines can emphasize.

*WARNING*
(Triskelli is not a qualified art critic, a qualified critic, or a qualified anything. Take any advice you receive from him with a GENEROUS pinch of salt)
Gamegeneral 1st Apr 2011, 3:50 AM edit delete reply
Being unconscious from a blow to the head is fairly common. However! Two things should be noted: Concussion damage in the brain adds up very quickly (Ask pro football players or boxers), and
If you're unconscious for more than ten seconds to a couple minutes, you probably have terrible brain damage!
So the whole crew should be slobbering idiots right now :D
But anatomy probably works differently in the Mushroom Kingdom.
Yoshi 1st Apr 2011, 3:52 AM edit delete reply
Yoshi
Yeah, keep the sketchiness. When I compare the last panel there to the usual art, it looks kind of hasty. Besides, it's what makes the comic unique. The sketchy style's what caught me in the first place, actually.
frzyc 1st Apr 2011, 5:54 AM edit delete reply
frzyc
NICE. Weird thing is, i had a dream like this once.
kevin 1st Apr 2011, 6:29 AM edit delete reply
I prefer the sketchy look
flawdaboy121 1st Apr 2011, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
totally like the edgy and almost chaotic pencil drawing better, although inking was also a fun experiment. keep it up yo!
Mr. Vareel 1st Apr 2011, 7:35 AM edit delete reply
I wonder if McCoy can meet a grue and live? Naw, nobody can meet a grue and live. First person to tell me what a grue is without researching it gets a snickerdoodle. Hint: they aren't Mario enemies (and heaven help him if they were).
Mihas 1st Apr 2011, 9:42 AM edit delete reply
Both the sketch and the inking versions of the comic have their pros and cons (no duh) but I still prefer the sketching. That might be because you are, as yet, unexperienced in inking but I went to have a closer look at that last panel up there and I noticed that the lines aren't straight, the rope is different widths, and Go's eyebrows just look... fat, really. As near as I can tell, you're very careful with those sorts of things when you sketch and yet it didn't translate into the inking. So, if you do choose inking I would just advise being more careful, of course your sketching got a lot better as the comic went on so there's no reason to think that the inking won't as well. Hope you're happy with whatever decision you make.
Dry Guy 1st Apr 2011, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
I would guess McCoy can see in the dark pretty well, so a grue might not be such a threat to him. And they might not get close to his cigarette light.

It is dark. You are likely to be beaten by McCoy.

In any case, the inking looks awesome, but it seems, I don't know...less serious? It sort of evokes the original Mario "fun" look for me, actually. The penciled look is gritty and, for lack of a better word, "real." I would say you could use inking for joke panels/arcs when playing up the funny or more Mario feelings, while the pencil style works better for playing up the dramatic tension and darker story. At least, that's just my opinion since I'm as qualified as Triskelli is in critical terms.

TL;DR, ink = bright, happy, normal Mario. Pencil = sharp, gritty, serious Mario.
Spinnerlink 1st Apr 2011, 10:16 AM edit delete reply
Spinnerlink
One of my friends parents proposed on april fools day. The dad did it in case she said no, then he would say april fools.

I like the sketchy look better. But this is nice too. When I first saw the pixls I thought it was a guest stripp.
Morgenstern 1st Apr 2011, 12:09 PM edit delete reply
Morgenstern
I'm probably working until like two or three (central) tonight, so new comic might not be up until five-sixish in the morning.

Weee shaaall seee.
Mr. Vareel 1st Apr 2011, 3:11 PM edit delete reply
Somebody understood my joke! Hooray!

@Dry Guy: I guess I didn't think about the cigarettes. Those would definitely drive off a grue. Not for long, but between the cigarettes and his lighter he should be able to keep them off until he finds a battery powered brass lantern, or something. Did you already know what a grue is, or did you look it up? I want to know if I should start looking for a mail package that can hold a cookie.
FWT 1st Apr 2011, 3:13 PM edit delete reply
I would have to say that the sketchy lines are better... It strangely feels too generic without them, though I don't know why. And nice April Fools.
MeowMixIsForCats339 1st Apr 2011, 3:44 PM edit delete reply
@Mr.Vareel isn't Grue that guy in dispicable me?

@Also, the inked lines look nice I guess, but I like the pencil lines better. ....Unless it means that you can update faster....No! I still like the pencil lines!!!!

One more thing, what does Palma dream in?
Avari 1st Apr 2011, 3:52 PM edit delete reply
For me, the sketched look makes this comic unique and more interesting as a result! However, it should be up to you whether or not you do end up keeping it like this. :3 Keep up the splendiferous work!
Aikidoka 1st Apr 2011, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
Aikidoka
Miyamoto says, "If you switch to inking, I wont be your friend anymore...." He can be quite childish at times.. But in all seriousness, the sketched look is a staple for the comic. Taking it away would be like switching the main character to a Goron.
Dry Guy 1st Apr 2011, 7:58 PM edit delete reply
@Mr. Vareel: I already knew what a grue was (saw it on Tvtropes before,) but I haven't actually played Zork yet.
Spinnerlink 1st Apr 2011, 11:45 PM edit delete reply
Spinnerlink
just checking time diffrence for me
S.O.U.P.ern00b 2nd Apr 2011, 3:22 AM edit delete reply
@Gamegeneral- Maybe the blunt trauma KNOCKED them unconscious while the booze KEPT them that way.
@Morgenstern- I'm with the sketchy look crowd but I think it would be awesome if you supplemented that by working on your speed and action lines during fight scenes.
P.S.- OMG, when toads get hangovers, they see the world for what it is!
Mr. Vareel 2nd Apr 2011, 12:38 PM edit delete reply
(For the record, I know the next comic has been posted. But it's difficult to continue a conversation over two comics.)

@MeowMixIsForCats339: Is that what his name is? I never saw the movie, so I don’t know. Well, that is an irritating discovery. Humph. Oh well. The kind of grue that I was referring to is from the game Zork. Really good (and really really old) game, you should see if you can download it somewhere. I’m pretty sure you can (legally) get it for free.

@Dry Guy: Sorry, that doesn't count. I was looking for someone who actually played the game.

As the secret is out, I'll have to withdraw my cookie offering. I guess I'm glad I don't have to make snickerdoodles now. (Why do I get the feeling someone is going to make a gay joke?)
wr4ith0 3rd Apr 2011, 4:57 PM edit delete reply
wr4ith0
hey dude, looks like you tried to ink this without an underlying sketch. What this needs is the awesome shapes that your sketching gives you, plus hopefully it won't bleed like this if you have something to follow and can move your pen/marker faster. Traditional artists tend do a pencil sketch, clean it up, finding the best lines and line shapes present and then ink over that. Some people are good enough to ink straight, but they're pretty exceptional... You're sketch work has some nice character and it's always a little hard to figure out what has to go when cleaning it up, but you can get some amazing inkwork (a heart shaped skull, sinfest). It shouldn't take too much work to bring your inking more in line with your current style (http://pointless.comicgenesis.com/d/20030911.html) you just gotta keep it more in line w/ you sketchwork. On the other hand you could always used the cleaned up pencil lines and never ink it. (http://megatokyo.com/strip/74)... sorry can't seem to find any examples of thick pencil lines... i went over this one digitally, but it's still the same idea (http://wr4ith0.deviantart.com/#/d2yc6dj)
MeowMIxISForCAtss339 3rd Apr 2011, 6:37 PM edit delete reply
@Mr.Vareel thank you again for responding to my comments. :)
Also, I have a box of thin mints. I am quite happy.
MeowMixIsForCats339 3rd Apr 2011, 6:38 PM edit delete reply
How on EARTH could I have misspelled my name?!
Owl 25th Apr 2011, 8:07 PM edit delete reply
Owl
I just noticed this comic TODAY! XD I fail XD